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Glossary entry

Czech term or phrase:

všeobecné gymnázium

English translation:

High School- Upper secondary school

Added to glossary by Maria Chmelarova
Apr 3, 2013 19:34
11 yrs ago
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Czech term

všeobecné gymnázium

Czech to English Other Education / Pedagogy
Překládám vysvědčení studenta gymnázia, které má být zasláno do USA. Jak by se dalo přeložit naše všeobecné gymnázium?
Secondary grammar school???
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Proposed translations (English)
5 High School- Upper secondary school
4 +1 gymnasium
3 +1 general preparatory school
4 Secondary Grammar School
References
High School
Change log

Apr 5, 2013 19:54: Maria Chmelarova Created KOG entry

Discussion

Pavel Slama Apr 4, 2013:
practically speaking... ...while other kids may laugh at "gymnasium", the director surely could google it in seconds?

Grammar School might not be such a bad idea after all, but I suspect that'd only work for a Brit.
Stuart Hoskins Apr 4, 2013:
Vladimir I would suggest that Gymnasia are not “common” non-specialized high schools – that makes them sound as though they were akin to a UK comprehensive, which they patently are not. Notwithstanding my own preference for “Gymnasium”, I stress that I have not used the US term “university-preparatory school”. I have simply tried to find (and have found) an approximation used by an American, for Americans, to describe this type of European school, which I have duly noted here as a further suggestion.
Vladimír Hoffman Apr 4, 2013:
Stuart Unfortunately, a general preparatory schoool is something different (to a certain degree) from Czech gymnasium. Gymnasium is simply a "common" unspecialized high school. Many students continue to universities, but some not. And quality of individual gymnasia greatly vary.
On the other hand, preparatory schools in USA (I have recently read very interesting article about Horace Mann in the New Yorker) are exclusive elite schools with only aim of preparing kids for university studies. Students are either from rich families or very talented and annual tuitage tends to be very high.
To call a gymnasium preparatory school might mean that you give to the school credit that it doesn't deserve.

But maybe I am wrong and there are common state-owned or district/town owned schools preparing students for universities and called preparatory school.
Hannah Geiger (X) Apr 4, 2013:
Stuart, the main person here is the Asker. She needs to decide. I am showing that if she translated for the US, gymnasium to them is a place where you go for your physical education classes. The need here is to relate to the target audience, I feel. With your permission, I would like to let others have their views, because they are important as well.
Stuart Hoskins Apr 4, 2013:
Please stop editing and deleting posts, Hannah, I can't keep up! I don't think "general preparatory school" would mean "nothing", I'm sure a US audience can glean what is intended and will accept that it is an approximation. This all suggests that babylondon's suggestion (and my own for a European reader) would be best, accompanied perhaps by an explanation.
Hannah Geiger (X) Apr 4, 2013:
I am sure there will be colleagues joining in with their views. I feel that General Preparatory School means nothing to the US audience.
Stuart Hoskins Apr 4, 2013:
High School I think this is too general, Hannah. We really need to get across the purpose of a gymnazium. The equivalent in the UK is "upper school and sixth form of a grammar school", and I'm sure the US equivalent will also require a description which is just as unwieldy. That is why I am trying to convey the "preparatory" aspect.
Hannah Geiger (X) Apr 4, 2013:
To Asker Actually, I was a bit influenced by the fact that my young relative in Prague is starting an 8-year gymnázium soon, thus corresponding to the nižší gymnazium. I would simply put High
School, (or General High School) because there are other terms for Odborné střední školy, such as Vocational Secondary Schools, Secondary Technical Schools, etc.
Wikipedia further continues (see my reference) how some exceptional 'general high school' students are allowed to take a course or two on the college level, but there is no 'general preparatory school' i.e. public 'preparatory high school', to my knowledge.

Proposed translations

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High School- Upper secondary school

najskor (vseobecna ) informacia " vseobecne gymnazium " - napln cinnosti; poskytovanie stredneho vzdelania s maturitnou skuskou, pripravuje studentov predovsetkym na studium na vysokych skolach ...( Ceske Budejovice, Kolin ) za mnohe. Nie su to vocational or trade schools vo vseobecnosti.

Student ma ist (studovat) do USA, predpokladam " exchange student ".

V USA su skoly: elementary, junior and high school ( len velmi jednoduche clenenie )
Junior - generally including the 7, 8 and 9 graders...
High - upper secondary school - generally includes grades 9 or 10 through 12
to je ekvivalent domacemu (ceskemu/slovenskemu ) skol. systemu, dnes ako aj v nedavnej minulosti...

Grammar school is in UK and some other English-speaking countries...is generally high-cost private school...

Grammar school in USA oftentimes is called elementary school...provides anywhere from the first 4 to the first 7 years of a child's education, depending upon local clasification and division of school
Gymnasium - nase gymnazium v USA je vo vseobecnosti povazovane za telocvicnu alebo miesto pre telocvik. Osobna skusenost plus obhajeny diplom stredoskolkeho ucitela v USA.
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gymnasium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium_(Germany)

nebo méně přesně academic secondary school

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium_(school)
Peer comment(s):
agree Stuart Hoskins : I don't think there's any problem with Gymnasium for a European audience (I'd perhaps add "General" here). I just wonder how it would be accepted over the Pond.
9 hrs
neutral Hannah Geiger (X) : The Asker is translating for the USA
10 hrs
neutral Pavel Prudký : to bych neriskoval, většinou to je tělocvična, i v Evropě
11 hrs
neutral Pavla Hrušková Břeňová : Přidávám se k Pavlovu názoru. Na webu se sice člověk dočte o škole zvané "gymnasium", ale vždy v souvislosti se středoevropským vzdělávacím systémem. Tedy nikoli jako fakt, že se tento termín běžně používá i v anglicky mluvících zemích.
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general preparatory school

You will not find an “exact” translation.
For a European client, I would leave the Czech and translate it in brackets as “General Gymnasium”. For an American client, a rough equivalent would be “university preparatory school”, although these are generally private institutions.
In 1831 (!), the good people of Harvard used “general preparatory school” to describe what is more or less a všeobecné gymnasium in Germany.
See: American Annals of Education
http://books.google.cz/books?id=mgsCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA291&lpg=PA...
Peer comment(s):
neutral Hannah Geiger (X) : I do not think that this is used much in the USA, they are really private and terribly expensive ad 2) the client is not European, the Asker is translating for the US millieu, general gymnasium will not do there.same for' general preparatory school'
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this is a US academic's description, for a US audience, of a German school preparing students for university
neutral Vladimír Hoffman : Moreover, they are sometimes attended only by older students. At least Keroac, in On the Road, describes he enrolled in the preparatory school only AFTER graduation from high school.
2 hrs
We're looking for an approximate equivalent of a school preparing students for university admission.
agree Pavla Hrušková Břeňová : I read that in the USA, especially in North America, preparatory schools prepare students for a college or university education with the means of generally addressing all aspects of the "well rounded" person.
6 hrs
Thanks, Pavla
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Secondary Grammar School

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Reference comments

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Reference:

High School

High school is an institution which provides all or part of secondary education. Other terms such as "secondary school" or "secondary college" are used in different nations or regions. The phrase "high school" often forms part of the name of the secondary institution.
United States
Main article: Secondary education in the United States

High schools can usually be sub-classed as general high schools, vocational schools (VoTech schools), magnet schools, and college preparatory high schools (prep schools) and special high schools or alternative high schools.
Most high schools are general high schools.
These general population schools offer college preparatory classes for advanced students, general education classes for average students, and remedial courses for those who are struggling.

Czech Republic
Main article: Education in the Czech Republic
In the Czech Republic, the term "high school" (střední škola, literally "middle school") can refer to the last four, six or eight years of secondary education. Typically, pupils in the Czech Republic spend 9 years at elementary school before going to high school where they study for 4 more years. However, children can decide to leave elementary school after Grade 5 or, less commonly, Grade 7 to study at a gymnázium (sometimes translated as grammar school), which is considered as a better preparation for tercial education, for eight or six years respectively. Even students aged 11–15 who attend a gymnázium are considered high schoolers since in this case, gymnázium is traditionally a significantly more rigorous equivalent to elementary school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school#Czech_Republic


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http://www.helpforenglish.cz/article/2008120604-americke-sko...
Reference:

http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school#Czech_Republic

Peer comments on this reference comment:
neutral Stuart Hoskins : Gymnasium (school), the European equivalent of a North American university-preparatory school http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preparatory_school
2 hrs
again, those are private, about 1% of student population attends them
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