Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
a grocer’s shop in the village // a village grocer’s shop.
English answer:
a grocer's shop in the village
Added to glossary by
oxygen4u
Nov 30, 2005 15:34
18 yrs ago
English term
a grocer’s shop in the village // a village grocer’s shop.
English
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Poetry & Literature
children's literature
And flying away all together, they crossed the river and knocked at the door of a grocer’s shop in the village // a village grocer’s shop.
Native help. which of the two is better for this context. Many thanks!!!
Native help. which of the two is better for this context. Many thanks!!!
Responses
| 4 +4 | a grocer's shop in the vilage |
oxygen4u
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| 4 +4 | a village grocery |
Tony M
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| 4 | the village grocery store (shop) |
Andrey Belousov (X)
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| 2 | the door of *the* village grocer's shop |
Mikhail Kropotov
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| 1 +1 | of the village's grocery shop |
fareedeh ghassemi (X)
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+4
2 mins
English term (edited):
a grocer�s shop in the village // a village grocer�s shop.
Selected
a grocer's shop in the vilage
You seem to be doing fine to me!
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Peer comment(s):
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Enza Longo
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Thank you Enza! :)
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KathyT
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Thank you! :)
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Romanian Translator (X)
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Thank you! :)
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Alfa Trans (X)
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Thank you! :)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks!!!"
2 mins
English term (edited):
a grocer�s shop in the village // a village grocer�s shop.
the village grocery store (shop)
store - Am.Engl.
3 mins
Mikhail Kropotov
Germany
Germany
Works in field
Germany
US-educated, precise & thorough
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, Russian
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English term (edited):
a grocer�s shop in the village // a village grocer�s shop.
the door of *the* village grocer's shop
I think it's likely that there was only one grocer in the village
+1
4 mins
English term (edited):
a grocer�s shop in the village // a village grocer�s shop.
of the village's grocery shop
maybe
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Certainly one possiiblity, though personally, style-wise, I'd prefer to avoid clouding the issue by putting the possessive on the 'village'
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Thank you for your advice.
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+4
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English term (edited):
a grocer�s shop in the village // a village grocer�s shop.
a village grocery
Neither --- as it stands!
It all depends if 'the' village is important or not: is this a specific village that they wre deliberately heading to, or that has been mentioned before in the story? In that case, you'd probbaly need to say 'the door of the village grocery'
But if this is just any old village that they happen to encounter after they've flown across the river, then 'a village grocery' is probably what you need.
I would steer clear of 'a village grocer's shop', it sounds a bit silly ("Oh look, there's a village grocer, let's go and knock at the door of his shop...") --- in English, we tend to talk about the grocer's / baker's / haridresser's / chemist's etc. when we MEAN 'their shop', and you can't use the possessive and then also stick the 'shop' ('store' for AE) back on the end.
But your precise word order here is going to be determined by the excat relationship between the characters / the village / the shop, and your given context is not enough to determine which is more appropriate... it's a very subtle 'feeling' thing!
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Note added at 1 hr 27 mins (2005-11-30 17:01:07 GMT) Post-grading
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To Fareedeh: I certianly don't think your answer would be wrong, but ti is not clear what Asker needs, i.e. which way he wishes to lay the emphasis. As a general rule, however, I would avoid using the possessive "village's" as being slightly ugly (inanaimate objects and all that...), and adding to the confusion over grocer's = grocery shop
I don't like "village's shop" or "shop's door" either.
It all depends if 'the' village is important or not: is this a specific village that they wre deliberately heading to, or that has been mentioned before in the story? In that case, you'd probbaly need to say 'the door of the village grocery'
But if this is just any old village that they happen to encounter after they've flown across the river, then 'a village grocery' is probably what you need.
I would steer clear of 'a village grocer's shop', it sounds a bit silly ("Oh look, there's a village grocer, let's go and knock at the door of his shop...") --- in English, we tend to talk about the grocer's / baker's / haridresser's / chemist's etc. when we MEAN 'their shop', and you can't use the possessive and then also stick the 'shop' ('store' for AE) back on the end.
But your precise word order here is going to be determined by the excat relationship between the characters / the village / the shop, and your given context is not enough to determine which is more appropriate... it's a very subtle 'feeling' thing!
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Note added at 1 hr 27 mins (2005-11-30 17:01:07 GMT) Post-grading
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To Fareedeh: I certianly don't think your answer would be wrong, but ti is not clear what Asker needs, i.e. which way he wishes to lay the emphasis. As a general rule, however, I would avoid using the possessive "village's" as being slightly ugly (inanaimate objects and all that...), and adding to the confusion over grocer's = grocery shop
I don't like "village's shop" or "shop's door" either.
Peer comment(s):
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Can Altinbay
: Good analysis, and I give a nod to Mikhail's "the", but the jury is still out on which article is appropriate.
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Thanks, Can! Yes, indeed, a nod from me too to MK; but as you say, not enough context to work out for sure the interplays here...
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fareedeh ghassemi (X)
: I'm still thinking did my answer was wrong or not.How you answer after grading?
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Thanks, Fareedeh! Please see my note above. Normally, the 'anbswer' button should still be available even AFTER grading, if not, you could always use the 'contribute to this entry' button (top right) to comment on gloss. entry.
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Mikhail Kropotov
: explain it why don't ya :) nice answer Dusty!
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Spasibo, Mikhail!
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María Teresa Taylor Oliver
: A great explanation, as usual =)
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Thanks, MTTO! You're so kind... I figure, if Asker raises the question, and there's no Black/white answer, the best I can do is try to explain the 'feeling' behind it....
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