Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

goes forward like a forlorn hope

English answer:

moves forward against the odds

Added to glossary by Ana Juliá
Jul 26, 2005 11:50
18 yrs ago
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English term

goes forward like a forlorn hope

English Art/Literary Religion 19th century text
Zeal does not shrink back because the enemies are standing in the way: it looks over their heads, like Moses standing on top of Pisgah, and says, “We will possess the land.” Zeal does not wait for company, and tarry till good works are fashionable: it goes forward like a forlorn hope, and trusts that others will follow by and bye.

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moves forward against the odds

The enemies may be in the way... He doesn't wait until good works become fashionable. He proceeds although circumstances may not be favourable.

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Note added at 33 mins (2005-07-26 12:24:35 GMT)
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In early use, a forlorn hope was a picked body of men, detached to the front to begin the attack; a body of skirmishers. It then came to mean a person in a desperate condition. [OED]

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Note added at 56 mins (2005-07-26 12:47:20 GMT)
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Re the origin of \'forlorn hope\':
It’s an English corruption of the Dutch military term verloren hoop, literally ‘lost troop’ – enthusiastic young soldiers dispatched to storm the walls of an enemy fortification on the unlikely chance that they would succeed, and render a long siege unnecessary.


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Note added at 1 hr 15 mins (2005-07-26 13:06:26 GMT)
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Interesting Spanish link:
http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/ihycm/revista/91/her...
(look for \'forlorn hope\')

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Note added at 1 hr 45 mins (2005-07-26 13:36:29 GMT)
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Mind you, Ana, it wouldn\'t be a good idea to use the translation provided in the above link (\"empresa desesperada\"). In your context it\'s more like \"la vanguardia de los desesperados\" (excuse my Spanish).
Peer comment(s):

agree George Rabel : Good. I missed that the question was posted as Eng-Eng
6 mins
Thanks, George.
agree jennifer newsome (X)
8 mins
Thanks, Jennifer.
agree Balaban Cerit : Here I understand "forlorn" as " lonely, abandoned". So "Zeal" does what it knows best, despite everyone and everything. // Very interesting. Thanks, I've learned something new!
11 mins
See my added note re origin of forlorn hope.
agree Vicky Papaprodromou
47 mins
Thanks, Vicky.
agree Ken Cox : all I can say is 'bravo!' (with a murmur of 'erudite' in the background). Presumably the sense of 'verloren hoop' was that they weren't necessarily expected to return...
1 hr
Thanks a lot, Kenneth.
agree DGK T-I : bravo too! (eg:19th C)particularly a small body of picked brave soldiers,storming fortification/breach in fortification,etc in advance of the main attack,to try and secure the position(brave,disregarding risk,faith that main force of soldiers will follow)
1 hr
Exactly. Thank you, Giuli. Though it all started much earlier. And in English there's a 1579 example in the OED.
agree Can Altinbay
3 hrs
Thanks, Can.
agree Alfa Trans (X)
5 hrs
Thanks, Marju.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you very much for your explanation!"
8 mins

prosigue como una esperanza remota pero tenaz

-una posibilidad
Peer comment(s):

neutral Ulrike Kraemer : I can't agree or disagree because I don't speak Spanish :-(
2 mins
well, stick around and you'll learn a little
neutral juvera : Neked milyen nyelvhez lenne kedved? + OK, give us a translation.
7 mins
OK, now I realize that Ana posted the question as Eng-Eng. I will not delete it, because ultimately she will need a translation into Spanish. Thanks
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