Nov 9, 2009 19:59
14 yrs ago
français term

C + D

français vers anglais Technique / Génie Construction / génie civil fire safety
under the heading "Sécurité incendie"

Pas de C + D à l'exception des patios.
Ensembles Pare – Flammes et coupe feu suivant localisation et réglementation

and that's all there is in this section ...

I will be asking the customer tomorrow, but if this rings a bell for anyone... would appreciate your input!
Proposed translations (anglais)
4 no C+D requirement (and explain)
References
C + D

Discussion

Lori Cirefice (asker) Nov 10, 2009:
thanks Bourth I'm on the right track now...
Bourth (X) Nov 10, 2009:
Something to be going on with I've encountered it and have an explanation, but not what the letters mean.
From my notes:
C+D (façades) C=height, D=depth (???) - used to describe a curtain walling system that prevents propagation of fire from one level to another via the spandrel panel
Travelin Ann Nov 10, 2009:
I suspect this may work with an SSI class, but I cannot find the specifics. Bourth is usually VERY good on this type of question.
Lori Cirefice (asker) Nov 9, 2009:
classe SSI I did investigate the possibility that this is related to SSI classification (A, B, C, D, E) but it doesn't seem likely.

Proposed translations

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no C+D requirement (and explain)

Continuing from Discussion entry above ...

IOW, it refers to the means of diminishing the risk of fire spreading from one floor to the floor above by means of windows: the total of C + D is the distance flames would have to travel, vertically and horizontally, to reach the glazing of the window above. I suspect it's an entirely French approach. This is one English approx. equivalent:

704.9 Vertical separation of openings. Openings in exterior walls in adjacent stories shall be SEPARATED VERTICALLY TO PROTECT AGAINST FIRE SPREAD on the exterior of the buildings where the openings are within 5 feet (1524 mm) of each other horizontally and the opening in the lower story is not a protected opening with a fire protection rating of not less than 3/4 hour. Such OPENINGS SHALL BE SEPARATED VERTICALLY AT LEAST 3 FEET (914 mm) by spandrel girders, exterior walls or other similar assemblies that have a fire-resistance rating of at least 1 hour OR BY FLAME BARRIERS THAT EXTEND HORIZONTALLY AT LEAST 30 INCHES (762 mm) beyond the exterior wall. Flame barriers shall also have a fire-resistance rating of at least 1 hour. The unexposed surface temperature limitations specified in ASTM E 119 or UL 263 shall not apply to the flame barriers or vertical separation unless otherwise required by the provisions of this code.
http://www.iccsafe.org/cs/codes/Documents/2006-07cycle/Propo...

Here it's vertical distance OR horizontal distance, no mention of combining the two.

Something like "No stipulation regarding French "C+D" vertical and horizontal fire propagation distance between windows, except above patios". Or a footnote explaining.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

C + D

Website explique une règle de "C + D" mais je ne sais pas la traduction ou terme équivalent en Anglais

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Note added at 3 hrs (2009-11-09 23:22:38 GMT)
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une autre source:

http://www.crit.archi.fr/Web Folder/acier/Chapitre 3/3.6 Dat...
Note from asker:
thanks - really helpful links!
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