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French term or phrase:
la centrale
English translation:
prison (for offenders with sentences of more than two years)
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de violents affrontements se déroulent, notamment à *la centrale de la prison* de Toul
This is from a historical text concerning radical politics in the early seventies and prison riots. As I understand it *la centrale* is a central administration unit within a prison, but this is a bit of a guess. Am I right? What would the prison slang be (preferably US)?
This is from a historical text concerning radical politics in the early seventies and prison riots. As I understand it *la centrale* is a central administration unit within a prison, but this is a bit of a guess. Am I right? What would the prison slang be (preferably US)?
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prison (for offenders with sentences of more than two years)
It's in Hachette/Oxford and the text below is quite clear:
Le 5 décembre 1971 éclate à la Centrale Ney de Toul une mutinerie.
Depuis quelques jours en effet, la tension s’est accrue dans cet établissement.
http://www.criminocorpus.cnrs.fr/liens/single.php?id=1316
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La prison centrale de Roumieh (60% des mineurs y sont détenus en 1997 selon ... En 2000, 368 mineurs sont détenus, 281 dans la prison centrale de Roumieh, ...
www.lnf.org.lb/prisoner/justice/justice.htm
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The French called the prison Maison Centrale [1] - a usual term to denote prisons in France. It was located near Hanoi's French Quarter. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanoi_Hilton
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L'ordonnance du 3 octobre 1821 convertit en maison centrale de correction la prison ouverte en 1817 dans l'ancien dépôt de mendicité. La prison est presque ...
esseclive.com/genepi/informations-parutions-et-articles-interessants/la-maison-centrale-de-poissy.htm
Le 5 décembre 1971 éclate à la Centrale Ney de Toul une mutinerie.
Depuis quelques jours en effet, la tension s’est accrue dans cet établissement.
http://www.criminocorpus.cnrs.fr/liens/single.php?id=1316
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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-06-18 06:51:41 GMT)
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La prison centrale de Roumieh (60% des mineurs y sont détenus en 1997 selon ... En 2000, 368 mineurs sont détenus, 281 dans la prison centrale de Roumieh, ...
www.lnf.org.lb/prisoner/justice/justice.htm
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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-06-18 06:52:12 GMT)
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The French called the prison Maison Centrale [1] - a usual term to denote prisons in France. It was located near Hanoi's French Quarter. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanoi_Hilton
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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-06-18 06:52:45 GMT)
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L'ordonnance du 3 octobre 1821 convertit en maison centrale de correction la prison ouverte en 1817 dans l'ancien dépôt de mendicité. La prison est presque ...
esseclive.com/genepi/informations-parutions-et-articles-interessants/la-maison-centrale-de-poissy.htm
Note from asker:
| Thanks for all this, light is beginning to dawn - just goes to show it is always best to get a clear idea of the thing itself before jumping to the translation. That said, if *centrale* is a prison, then is the *centrale de la prison de Toul* is prison within a prison, for heavier offenders? Would there be a particular term for that? |
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(penitentiary) station
"Or by what authority could the superintendent of the *penitentiary station* his guard around the jail of that county? Suppose he should be detained, ..."
campus.queens.edu/depts/amstdy/Syllabi/AMST300_Crime&Punishment/Ruffin_v_Commonwealth_1871.htm
campus.queens.edu/depts/amstdy/Syllabi/AMST300_Crime&Punishment/Ruffin_v_Commonwealth_1871.htm
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Juan Jacob
: Or jail compound, simply.
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Thanks Juan
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Jennifer Levey
: 'station' in your webref is a verb (= 'to position', 'put in place' --> 'deploy his prison guards around the jail') and is not part of a noun phrase 'penitentiary station'.//The only thing wrong with the webref is that it doesn't support your answer.
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Well, the webref is wrong. But not the translation.
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French term (edited):
la centrale
guard room / exercise yard
I'm torn between two answers - so I take the liberty of offering both:
guard room:
Reports of the Prison Discipline Society, Boston - Google Books Resultby Prison Discipline Society, Boston, Boston ... - 1855 - Prisons
The great security of this arrangement is illustrated, in contrast with the present new Prison, which is far removed from the guard-room, so that the guard, ...
books.google.co.uk/books?id=-sMJAAAAIAAJ...
Prison Break - Episode 120 "Tonight" - Digital CommunityPrison Break Episode 120 "Tonight" Bellick kneels on the floor and peers into ... Charles pushes a small dumpster out of the Guard Room and does his best to ...
www.digital-community.co.uk/forum/prison-break-episode-revi... - 77k - Cached - Similar pages
Prison Break Forum • View topic - Episode 111 "And Then There Were 7"The governor has taken additional money away from the prison’s health care, .... The dig continues inside the guard room. This time T-Bag is harping on ...
www.pbforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&p=3573 - 51k - Cached - Similar pages
The Criminal Prisons of London, and Scenes of Prison Life: And ... - Google Books Resultby Henry Mayhew, John Binny - 1862 - London (England) - 634 pages
Guarding of th« Prison by Night, Opening the Gates, and Cleaning the Cells and Passage» in ... The outer guard-room, which is a kind of rude porter's lodge, ...
books.google.co.uk/books?id=TGAJAAAAQAAJ...
Khiam Prison -Israels Torture Den in Southern Lebanon (1985-2000)In prison we had no means to look at ourselves. Once I saw a mirror in the guard's room, someone was reflected in it, so I looked back to see who it was. ...
inminds.co.uk/khiam-prison.html - 53k - Cached - Similar pages
exercise yard / prison yard:
The prison yard problem The prison yard problem is one of a family of guard problems, where one places ... In the prison yard version only vertex guards are allowed (i.e. guards ...
www.springerlink.com/index/N33Q7429161106W3.pdf - Similar pages
24 Hours in Prison4:00, off duty/time on prison yard, time on prison yard, return to cell .... After dinner, they may have some time on the prison yard. Between 7 and 9 PM, ...
www.doc.state.nc.us/DOP/HOURS24.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
Last night's TV: America's Deadliest Prison Gang | TV & radio ...3 Aug 2007 ... There's death all over the place, where the Brotherhood is concerned, usually by knifing in the prison yard. But it's better to reign in ...
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Exercise Yard - Alcatraz PicturesView a picture of the exercise yard at Alcatraz Island prison.
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BBC - Nottingham - In Pictures - Exercise YardStretch your legs, breath in the fresh air and wander around Nottingham Prison's exercise yard.
www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/panoramas/nottingham_priso... - 23k - Cached - Similar pages
I guess that the "violents affrontements" of the source text are more likely to take place in the exercise yard, but I confess that I have no personal experience of such things :)
Maybe other Proziens can give us an 'insider's' opinion...?
guard room:
Reports of the Prison Discipline Society, Boston - Google Books Resultby Prison Discipline Society, Boston, Boston ... - 1855 - Prisons
The great security of this arrangement is illustrated, in contrast with the present new Prison, which is far removed from the guard-room, so that the guard, ...
books.google.co.uk/books?id=-sMJAAAAIAAJ...
Prison Break - Episode 120 "Tonight" - Digital CommunityPrison Break Episode 120 "Tonight" Bellick kneels on the floor and peers into ... Charles pushes a small dumpster out of the Guard Room and does his best to ...
www.digital-community.co.uk/forum/prison-break-episode-revi... - 77k - Cached - Similar pages
Prison Break Forum • View topic - Episode 111 "And Then There Were 7"The governor has taken additional money away from the prison’s health care, .... The dig continues inside the guard room. This time T-Bag is harping on ...
www.pbforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&p=3573 - 51k - Cached - Similar pages
The Criminal Prisons of London, and Scenes of Prison Life: And ... - Google Books Resultby Henry Mayhew, John Binny - 1862 - London (England) - 634 pages
Guarding of th« Prison by Night, Opening the Gates, and Cleaning the Cells and Passage» in ... The outer guard-room, which is a kind of rude porter's lodge, ...
books.google.co.uk/books?id=TGAJAAAAQAAJ...
Khiam Prison -Israels Torture Den in Southern Lebanon (1985-2000)In prison we had no means to look at ourselves. Once I saw a mirror in the guard's room, someone was reflected in it, so I looked back to see who it was. ...
inminds.co.uk/khiam-prison.html - 53k - Cached - Similar pages
exercise yard / prison yard:
The prison yard problem The prison yard problem is one of a family of guard problems, where one places ... In the prison yard version only vertex guards are allowed (i.e. guards ...
www.springerlink.com/index/N33Q7429161106W3.pdf - Similar pages
24 Hours in Prison4:00, off duty/time on prison yard, time on prison yard, return to cell .... After dinner, they may have some time on the prison yard. Between 7 and 9 PM, ...
www.doc.state.nc.us/DOP/HOURS24.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
Last night's TV: America's Deadliest Prison Gang | TV & radio ...3 Aug 2007 ... There's death all over the place, where the Brotherhood is concerned, usually by knifing in the prison yard. But it's better to reign in ...
blogs.guardian.co.uk/tv/2007/08/last_nights_tv_americas_deadli.html - 55k - Cached - Similar pages
Exercise Yard - Alcatraz PicturesView a picture of the exercise yard at Alcatraz Island prison.
gocalifornia.about.com/od/casfmenu/ig/Alcatraz/IMG_8446-a.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
BBC - Nottingham - In Pictures - Exercise YardStretch your legs, breath in the fresh air and wander around Nottingham Prison's exercise yard.
www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/panoramas/nottingham_priso... - 23k - Cached - Similar pages
I guess that the "violents affrontements" of the source text are more likely to take place in the exercise yard, but I confess that I have no personal experience of such things :)
Maybe other Proziens can give us an 'insider's' opinion...?
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Hello,
I think this is referring to the courtyard of the prison, which is always centrally located (I think so).
I hope this helps.
See pic below.
I think this is referring to the courtyard of the prison, which is always centrally located (I think so).
I hope this helps.
See pic below.
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The definition of "la centrale" in the monolingual dictionary "le petit Larousse" is: Centrale=Prison centrale, the phrase "la centrale de la prison" is somewhat inappropriate, I think it's only a French style of telling things, I mean "HYPERBOLE" and "REDONDANCE", often used in French, and particularly present in ancient texts (literature, legal documents etc...
Prison, not jail...
Prison, not jail...
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| It turns out you're probably right, but I am loathe to "correct" an ST assuming it is somehow in the wrong - this one is written by a well respected contemporary academic, so I guess he has a reason for expressing himself this way. It's not an ancient text in any case, though I see what you were thinking. |
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the main building of Toul Prison
http://web.ifrance.com/actu/france/160696
From this article about Toul it seems that it is indeed a "prison within a prison" as you concluded.
From this article about Toul it seems that it is indeed a "prison within a prison" as you concluded.
Note from asker:
| Thank you slightly belatedly for this. The article is not quite as specific as we'd like though is it!! Now we know there is accommodation for guards outside the "centrale", but that still doesn't really clarify if that means outside the jail compound, or outside a central block within the compound (if you follow me!). Thanks though! |
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