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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

fruits secs oléagineux

English translation:

nuts

Added to glossary by Neal Allen
May 26, 2011 19:46
12 yrs ago
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French term

fruits secs oléagineux

French to English Marketing Nutrition
Context: En comparaison avec d'autres fruits secs oléagineux, ce sont les amandes qui contiennent la plus grande concentration de 6 des éléments nutritifs essentiels, y compris les protéines et les fibres.

Is this dried fruit? If so, why is the word "oléagineux" used?
Proposed translations (English)
4 +12 nuts
4 +1 dried oleaginous fruit(s)
References
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Discussion

sporran May 26, 2011:
If you check the link I posted, you'll see the difference between 'fruits secs oléagineux' and 'fruits secs non oleagineux'
Tony M May 26, 2011:
@ Lara No, the fact that 'oléagineux' is mentioned, and also 'almonds', makes it clear that this is not what we think of as dried fruit (raisins, sultanas, currants, etc.), but the other type (i.e. nuts), since FR uses the same term for both. Note that it is really 'dry' and not 'dried'
Lara Barnett May 26, 2011:
@ Asker Could this just be dried fruits preserved/soaked in oil?
Please could you post some of the preceding text?

Proposed translations

+12
3 mins
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nuts

These are nuts:-)

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Note added at 13 minutes (2011-05-26 19:59:23 GMT)
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Also known as 'fruits à coque'.
http://couleurs-de-la-vie.blog4ever.com/blog/lirarticle-6932...
Note from asker:
Thank you for your help!
Peer comment(s):
agree Sheila Wilson : Shame there isn't a nice short word for them in French, really :-)
1 min
As you say, sigh...thanks Sheila:-)
agree Laurel Clausen
6 mins
Thanks Laurel:-)
agree Mark Nathan : Fortunately you can crack them with a casse-noix.
11 mins
:-) Thanks, Mark!
agree Tony M : But 'oil-bearing nuts', as some types aren't suitable for oil extraction.
33 mins
Thanks, Tony:-) I take your point, but I really do feel that this is simply the generic term for , well, nuts:-)
agree KKMoe (X)
1 hr
Thanks KKMoe:-)
agree Rachel Fell : fair point from Tony
2 hrs
Thanks Rachel:-)
agree Bourth (X) : Just nuts for me (to you, too!). Even if not all nuts are suitable for oil extraction, don't they all contain some quantity of oil (as do sperm whales)?
3 hrs
Thanks, Bourth:-) Yes, because high in lipids, but I've never heard of a non oil-bearing whale:-)
agree Michele Fauble
3 hrs
Thanks Michele:-)
agree Agnes T-H : First time I'll say "agree" to someone calling me nuts! LOL.@ Sporran: Could be a sign of early senility, what do u think?
4 hrs
Thanks Agnes - is that a sign? :-)/Na, just fun:-)
agree Vicky Valla
11 hrs
Thanks Vicky:-)
agree Valeria Sciarrillo
12 hrs
Thanks Valeria:-0
neutral SafeTex : But what about the grains included in this group?:oléagineux
12 hrs
Thanks SafeTex:-)
agree B D Finch : @SafeTex Grains aren't fruits secs.
15 hrs
Thanks BD:-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Well, this one generated a lot of discussion. Given the context, I think that "nuts" is the appropriate translation, even though I do understand the argument about "dry oligenous fruits"."
+1
10 hrs

dried oleaginous fruit(s)

Keep the technical term. In UN statistics, it is part of a category name (oilseeds and oleaginous fruit) and distinct from the oilseeds that are also included.

Singular or plural on 'fruit' as you see fit.

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Note added at 10 hrs (2011-05-27 06:02:54 GMT)
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Dried olives, for example. Would you call them "nuts"?

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Note added at 13 hrs (2011-05-27 09:25:20 GMT)
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True, olives don't start out as dry fruit, but a dessicated olive is a dry oleaginous fruit.
The point is that the source term is botanical, and "nuts" in the sense being proposed is a culinary term. Botanically, acorns, chestnuts and hazelnuts are "true nuts"; almonds, pecans, walnuts and pistachios are drupe seeds; peanuts are legumes; coconuts are seeds; and pine nuts are not even fruits.
Why substitute a well-defined term (oleaginous fruit) for an ill-defined one like "nut"?
Peer comment(s):
neutral Valeria Sciarrillo : There's exactly the same expression in Italian, and it means "nuts". Olives are by no means a "frutta secca (oleosa)": olives are just olives, even when dried. They don't have a shell and you can't put them in muesli :)
2 hrs
agree B D Finch : You do have a point - complicated by the fact that "noix" is walnuts which might not be nuts.
5 hrs
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Reference comments

15 hrs
Reference:

For anyone who wants to go nuts over this:

The website below is quite exhaustive!
Reference:

http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ecoph8.htm

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