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Glossary entry

Hebrew term or phrase:

te'udat dargat yitzug

English translation:

temporary rank certificate

Added to glossary by Suzan Chin
Mar 5, 2004 04:21
20 yrs ago
Hebrew term

te'udat dargat yitzug - תעודת דרגת יצוג

Hebrew to English Other Military / Defense
What is תעודת דרגת יצוג in English?
It appears to be a military certificate in which a "turai" is receiving a "dargat yitzug" of "sagam".

Thanks!
Proposed translations (English)
5 +1 Pro tem / temporary rank certificate
5 +3 (Interim) Representative Rank Promotion
5 brevet certificate
5 -3 Army Promotion Certificate
3 -1 local rank cerificate

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Mar 5, 2004:
? Your last comment was completely out of line. Why did you want me to thank you for something that I disagreed with instead of clarifying. Obviously you can't accept clarifications because you have to be right. Give your ego a rest. This is my final comment. It's not worth my time.
Alex Zelkind (X) Mar 5, 2004:
Harrassment! Why do you feel harrassed by my comments? This is pathetic, Takling to civilians is like talking to a wall
Non-ProZ.com Mar 5, 2004:
Whatever! As many times as you harrass me with your comments. Actually, I have no idea how it got re-posted. Perhaps it happened when I refreshed the page. Sorry for using your name in vain.
Alex Zelkind (X) Mar 5, 2004:
How many times are you going to repeat the same thing?
Non-ProZ.com Mar 5, 2004:
To Alex I don't know what your problem is but it has nothing with not wanting to give you points so don't get all defensive. As I said, the certificate indicates that the rank change is valid for ONE YEAR ("betokef miyom" and "tokef ha'eeshur ad yom"). It looks like an ID card. So, chill out.
Non-ProZ.com Mar 5, 2004:
To Alex I don't know what your problem is but it has nothing with not wanting to give you points so don't get all defensive. As I said, the certificate indicates that the rank change is valid for ONE YEAR ("betokef miyom" and "tokef ha'eeshur ad yom"). It looks like an ID card. So, chill out.
Non-ProZ.com Mar 5, 2004:
To Alex I don't know what your problem is but it has nothing with not wanting to give you points so don't get all defensive. As I said, the certificate indicates that the rank change is valid for ONE YEAR ("betokef miyom" and "tokef ha'eeshur ad yom"). It looks like an ID card. So, chill out.
Alex Zelkind (X) Mar 5, 2004:
So what? Enlisted soldiers get promoted every 6 months. He gets this certificate until he will be eligible for a new one
Non-ProZ.com Mar 5, 2004:
To Alex I don't know what your problem is but it has nothing with not wanting to give you points so don't get all defensive. As I said, the certificate indicates that the rank change is valid for ONE YEAR ("betokef miyom" and "tokef ha'eeshur ad yom"). It looks like an ID card. So, chill out.
Alex Zelkind (X) Mar 5, 2004:
Look, if you don't want to give me points - just say so. If the certificate is given - it is permanent, until next prom
Non-ProZ.com Mar 5, 2004:
Clarification The certificate does not indicate that it is a permanent change in rank or promotion since the change is in effect for only one year. Almost as if the turai is in a position of an acting sagam.

Proposed translations

+1
5 hrs
Selected

Pro tem / temporary rank certificate

I am no longer sure about 'interim', because in the typical case, the holder never does go to officer school and therefore does not proceed to a permanent rank. Therefore, it's not 'interim' (which is more like 'beynayim') but rather 'pro tem' (zmanit).

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Note added at 2004-03-05 09:50:51 (GMT)
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Alex says above that \'there is no mention that it\'s temporary\'. Of course there is: it\'s all there in the word YITZUG, meaning that it\'s a special rank for REPRESENTATION purposes only, and the holder will eventually REVERT to the old rank when the special reason no longer applies. You need to understand the concept behind the term to be able to translate it: you don\'t translate the words verbatim. And to do that, you need to understand the cultural connotations, the context in which the term is embedded. Saying \'There is no such thing because I say so\', when you have never experienced the contextual circumstances, is a childish tantrum and not the way a professional translator behaves. As to telling Suzan she is \'pathetic\', a \'mere civilian\', and best of all - \'everyone wants to show how smart (s)he is\'; all I can do is refer you to pots and kettels.

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Note added at 2004-03-05 09:51:45 (GMT)
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kettles.

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Note added at 2004-03-05 09:56:03 (GMT)
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kettles.

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Note added at 2004-03-05 13:29:43 (GMT)
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These ranks are mainly used for personnel representing Israel abroad, of course.
Peer comment(s):
agree Sue Goldian
11 mins
Thanks
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you so much, Eynat and everyone else who have responded to my question. Ta, Suzan :)"
-3
20 mins

Army Promotion Certificate

http://citationexpress.com/Cert_Army Promotion Certificate.h...

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Note added at 2004-03-05 05:34:27 (GMT)
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What do you exactly want then? I\'m telling you what it is called in the US Army where I was an officer. You won\'t get anything else - this is what it is called. There are no \"temporary\" promotion certificates. A soldier receives a certificate of promotion. When he will be promoted later - his old certificate will be automaticaly revoked. Same thing will happen if he will be demoted in rank.
Privates, PV2, PFC receive promotion on basis of time served. They move up in the ranks every 6 months.
Why do you want to make it difficult?

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Note added at 2004-03-05 06:09:41 (GMT)
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There are some simple and basic things which don\'t even require explanation. Do what you want. I should not have answered your question in the first place. Instead of at least receiving a simple \"thank you\" - some absurdity begins where everyone wants to show how smart (s)he is. Children don\'t act that way.
Peer comment(s):
agree 00000000 (X)
1 min
Thank you, Esther
disagree Jonathan Spector : You clearly misunderstood the term.
59 mins
What part of it did I misunderstood?
disagree Eynat : Errr ... there IS a temporary promotion. Have you served in the IDF? I have. Were you an IDF corporal who had to sit on IAF HQ committees where the others were officers and were given a temporary 2nd Lt rank? I have.
4 hrs
OK-OK. First it's a certificate (and there is no mention that it's temporary), then all of a sudden it becomes a temporary " ID card". I don't play such games :) Anyway, this system of temporary promotion to officer' position is bizarre and makes no sense
disagree Sue Goldian : For the reasons stated by Jonathan and Eynat
4 hrs
Jonathan did not state any reasons, and Eynat... Well, you and Eynat, and Suzan... Nevermind :)
disagree Iris Bat-Or : Acting Rank - a rank given for a specific duty (or a tour of duty) in and out of Israel, mostly for appearance sake.
7 days
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-1
1 hr
Hebrew term (edited): te'udat dargat yitzug - ���� �� ���

local rank cerificate

Certain positions in the army carry a lieutenant's rank but the 'officer' was chosen from the civilian population (army spokesman for example). The rank applies as long as he remains in the position, reverting to his lower rank when he leaves.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Alex Zelkind (X) : Doesn't say anything to the English speaking audience
3 mins
neutral Eynat : Ignore Alex's comment: there are cultural terms that need a translator's footnote, and this may be one of them. However, it's 'temporary' rather than 'local'.
3 hrs
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+3
2 hrs

(Interim) Representative Rank Promotion

This is usually an officer rank promotion given in special cases to military that did not graduate an officer course, yet they need an officer rank to perform their duty or special functions. It's not a permanent rank, but an interim one requiring the candidate to go through an official officer course, otherwise his rank will be removed when terminating his special function.
To acceede to such a rank, you can be a Turay or a sergeant or whatever rank lower to the one you postulate for.
Peer comment(s):
agree Baruch Avidar
20 mins
agree Eynat : Quite right (corporal, in my case).
2 hrs
agree Jonathan Spector
7 hrs
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9 hrs
Hebrew term (edited): te'udat dargat yitzug - ���� �� ���

brevet certificate

dargat yitzug us a brevet or local (nominal) rank in which the soldier's pay remains as was.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Eynat : I thought this only applied to the American Civil War (the last ever was awarded in 1918). Thus, using the term for a modern army (IDF) would be confusing.
5 hrs
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