| Pages in topic: [1 2] > | Upper/Lower case problem with Wordfast Thread poster: Tineke Van Beukering
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I am using Wordfast 5.52 on a Word document (MS Office 2007). I've got a table that is full of repetitive abbreviations in capitals, that I need to translate in combined upper/lower case:
" N/E " in the source text, meaning 'none established' in this context, needs to be translated into Dutch in my case as 'Niet vastgesteld'.
The problem I have is that the TM recognises the capitals in "N/E" and automativally gives me a suggested translation in all capitals "NIET VASTGE... See more I am using Wordfast 5.52 on a Word document (MS Office 2007). I've got a table that is full of repetitive abbreviations in capitals, that I need to translate in combined upper/lower case:
" N/E " in the source text, meaning 'none established' in this context, needs to be translated into Dutch in my case as 'Niet vastgesteld'.
The problem I have is that the TM recognises the capitals in "N/E" and automativally gives me a suggested translation in all capitals "NIET VASTGESTELD" (NONE ESTABLISHED).
Is there a way that I can change the settings for the TM so it will give me the suggested translation exactly the same as I've entered previously: with intial capital followed by lower case? Or is there another way to solve this? ▲ Collapse
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WF is not very good at distinguishing between capitals and lower case, to my knowledge, so unless someone comes up with a better solution I suggest you just let it go through the whole thing and then do a blanket "find and replace" once you've finished your translation.
| | | | Platary (X)
Local time: 02:21
German to French
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| Edit the TM ? | Jan 28, 2009 |
Tineke Van Beukering wrote:
The problem I have is that the TM recognises the capitals in "N/E" and automativally gives me a suggested translation in all capitals "NIET VASTGESTELD" (NONE ESTABLISHED).
I think you just have to open the TM with some text editor or Excel and to correct it as whished ?
Hoping to be helpful,
Kind regards,
Olivier
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That's indeed a solution & so simple! I had completely overlooked it. I was so frustrated and concentrating too much on finding a solution within Wordfast. Thanks!
If anybody has a suggestion of how to do it within Wordfast I'd still like to hear of course!
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| Worth a try, but doesn't seem to do the trick | Jan 28, 2009 |
Olivier MANESSE wrote:
I think you just have to open the TM with some text editor or Excel and to correct it as whished ?
Hoping to be helpful,
Kind regards,
Olivier [/quote]
Thanks Oliver. I've just tried your suggestion: edited the TM, replaced all capitals but upon opening a new segment I still get a proposed translation in capitals unfortunately....
By the way, my previous comment was a reply to Marie-Hélène's suggestion - I didn't include a quote.
| | | | Samuel Murray 
Netherlands
Local time: 02:21
Member (2006)
English to Afrikaans
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| Nothing you can do | Jan 28, 2009 |
Tineke Van Beukering wrote:
" N/E " in the source text, meaning 'none established' in this context, needs to be translated into Dutch in my case as 'Niet vastgesteld'.
The problem I have is that the TM recognises the capitals in "N/E" and automativally gives me a suggested translation in all capitals "NIET VASTGESTELD" (NONE ESTABLISHED).
I know of no solution to your problem. I have had similar problems in the past.
| | | | | Edit the source | Jan 28, 2009 |
An alternative to Marie-Hélène's suggestion:
Globally replace "N/E" with "N/e" in the source text.
| | | | Marina Aleyeva
Israel
Local time: 03:21
Member (2006)
English to Russian
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| You probably need to update you TM | Jan 28, 2009 |
Thanks Oliver. I've just tried your suggestion: edited the TM, replaced all capitals but upon opening a new segment I still get a proposed translation in capitals unfortunately....
That is strange. Unless a 'capitalised' style was applied to the acronyms in your table, WF itself will not force capitals but rather insert your target term the way it appears in your working TM. Try opening a blank Word document, type 'N/E', translate it with the same TM and clean up. WF should update the memory and remember the case.
Close you working document while you are experimenting.
[Edited at 2009-01-28 15:45 GMT]
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Ulf Samuelsson
Mexico
Local time: 18:21
Member (2007)
English to Swedish
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| DifferentCase=99 | Jan 28, 2009 |
This problem should be handled by putting the command DifferentCase=99 in PB.
That would force Wordfast to treat case differences as a 99% match so that it doesn't offer "NIET VASTGESTELD" from the memory instead of "Niet vastgesteld".
Without this command, Wordfast doesn't see any difference between "NIET VASTGESTELD" and "Niet vastgesteld".
Ulf
| | | | | Tried it, but doesn't seem to work that way | Jan 28, 2009 |
Marina Aleyeva wrote:
Thanks Oliver. I've just tried your suggestion: edited the TM, replaced all capitals but upon opening a new segment I still get a proposed translation in capitals unfortunately....
That is strange. Unless a 'capitalised' style was applied to the acronyms in your table, WF itself will not force capitals but rather insert your target term the way it appears in your working TM. Try opening a blank Word document, type 'N/E', translate it with the same TM and clean up. WF should update the memory and remember the case. Close you working document while you are experimenting. [Edited at 2009-01-28 15:45 GMT]
Thanks for the suggestion Marina. I tried it, but it doesn't seem to work. Wordfast does enforce the capitalsl. The translation memory contains an initial capital followed by lower case, but it keeps coming up with all capitals any time I open a new segment.
I suppose this comes down to the same solution as Olivier's suggestion to edit the TM - an has similar results.
| | | | | Thanks Roman - this option works! | Jan 28, 2009 |
Roman Bulkiewicz wrote:
An alternative to Marie-Hélène's suggestion:
Globally replace "N/E" with "N/e" in the source text.
Thanks, I tried this and indeed now the TM comes up with the suggested translation with initial capital followed by lower case. Similar to Marie-Hélène's suggestion of search & replace afterwards.
Only problem I still have with both of these solutions that they are not 'clean' solutions. I've been asked to supply the TM to the customer, and if they run the TM over a similar file they'll end up with the same problem again. But then again, that isn't my fault.
Thanks to all who've come up with suggestions so far. I'd still be interested to hear if someone knows of a way of solving the problem within wordfast.
| | | | Nikki Graham
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:21
Spanish to English
| Sorry, no solution, but similar problem | Jan 29, 2009 |
I have just recently finished a translation in Wordfast where many segments were: "CE certified" and Wordfast's 100% match was "Ce certified". Then, when I changed it to "CE certified" the programme changed it back to "Ce certified" when I closed the segment. Any ideas on how to solve this? Isn't there anything in Pandora's box to solve these upper/lower case problems?
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| Solve it by editing the source or translation | Jan 29, 2009 |
Nikki Graham wrote:
I have just recently finished a translation in Wordfast where many segments were: "CE certified" and Wordfast's 100% match was "Ce certified". Then, when I changed it to "CE certified" the programme changed it back to "Ce certified" when I closed the segment. Any ideas on how to solve this? Isn't there anything in Pandora's box to solve these upper/lower case problems?
Hi Nikki,
So far I haven't come across such a Pandora's box, I was hoping to find one too. But you can solve the problem with an editor: either edit the source text and change the upper/lower case there, or do a case sensitive search/replace in the translated text when you're finished. Thanks Roman and Marie-Hélène for your helpful suggestions here!
| | | | NMR (X)
France
Local time: 02:21
French to Dutch
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| Solve it with a Word shortcut | Jan 29, 2009 |
Highlight the text and then use Shift + F3. This is a toggle with three positions: capitalized, first letter capitalized, not capitalized. Very useful for long titles.
There is no need to update the TM, it will come back anyway.
Good luck.
| | | | | Re: DifferentCase=99 | Jan 29, 2009 |
Ulf Samuelsson wrote:
This problem should be handled by putting the command DifferentCase=99 in PB.
That would force Wordfast to treat case differences as a 99% match so that it doesn't offer "NIET VASTGESTELD" from the memory instead of "Niet vastgesteld".
Without this command, Wordfast doesn't see any difference between "NIET VASTGESTELD" and "Niet vastgesteld".
Ulf
Thanks Ulf. Are you sure this works? To make this change, am I correct that I have to click Wordfast>Setup>PB>Enable and then type DifferentCase=99 ? I did all this, but I am still getting a suggested translation from the TM in all capitals .... Did I do something wrong? This is so frustrating!
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