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aléa sismique
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: SEISMICITY AND EARTHQUAKE HAZARD IN THE UK Here I give a synopsis of present knowledge regarding UK seismicity and present an illustrative seismic hazard map. (Note: in this paper terms describing ... www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/hazard/Hazard_UK.htm - Cache
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seismic susceptibility
When dealing with things that might go horribly wrong, and particularly when addressing the general public, engineers like to avoid words like "hazard" and "risk" since those words are seen by many as "positive", in a negative sense, i.e. something bad will go wrong. "Susceptibility" on the other hand is more "neutral" - there's a possibility, it might or it mightn't happen.
SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY MAPS. Note: These guidelines are presented in draft form, pending review, update and approval by appropriate ...
www.oas.org/cdmp/document/kma/guidseis.htm
We are currently conducting research at the University of Missouri-Rolla to examine and analyze THE SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY of us Highway 60 and to provide ...
web.mst.edu/~rluna/us60eq/Intro_page.htm
INTRODUCTION Southwestern Montana and adjacent ldaho is a REGION OF HIGH SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY (Hill and Bartholomew, 1999: Bartholomew et al., ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0813723590...
As for the SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY, Beijing can be compared to Indian Seismic Zones 3 & 4. There are many propagandists of high-rises who ...
www.the2012discovery.com/2012-discovery/earthquake-in...at-...
SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT; Performance of structures under past earthquakes - Lessons learnt - Behaviour of RC, ...
www.sercm.org:7778/portal/page?_pageid=114,32154...
SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY ZONE Classification for the Mayagüez Area (Moya and McCann,. 1992). ...
earthquake.usgs.gov/research/external/reports/04HQGR0075.pdf
The California Department of Conservation issues maps of SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY for the Bay area; they're reproduced in handy GIF format here. ...
geology.about.com › Geologic Maps
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Otherwise "seismic zones" might cover it, if this is a caption for an illustration.
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143,000 ghits for "susceptible to earthquakes"
1160 "earthquake-susceptible"
which compares not too badly with the 1100 "alea sismique".
susceptible ... 1. Capable of taking, receiving, being affected by, or undergoing something.
[SOED]
An earthquake-prone area is one which is susceptible to suffer from earthquakes.
As for use by professionals in the field, the "Susceptibility Map of the San Francisco Bay Area" here, showing "very high" to "very low" liquefaction susceptibility was produced by the US Geological Survey
http://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/sfgeo/liquefaction/susceptibility...
Even though that’s the most powerful earthquake we know about in New England, Ebel [Boston College Professor of Geophysics] wouldn’t rule out the region has experienced a 7.0 and could again. But, he said, most seismologists would say THE REGION IS NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO EARTHQUAKES AS LARGE AS AN 8.0. [ ... ] CALIFORNIA IS DESERVEDLY NOTORIOUS FOR ITS EARTHQUAKE SUSCEPTIBILITY, Ebel said. “If I recorded earthquakes in California for one year and then came to New England, I’d have to record for 100 years to get the same amount of data,” Ebel said.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/bridgewater/features/x2034412703/...
I imagine that were New England to be hit by a mag.8 earthquake, despite being "NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO EARTHQUAKES AS LARGE AS AN 8.0", it would in fact prove to be highly susceptible to earthquakes in the sense that there would be lot of damage!
The topography and EARTHQUAKE SUSCEPTIBILITY OF WELLINGTON CITY requires the careful and considered development of water supply schemes and the application of water supply standards that may seem more onerous than those applicable in other centres.
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/urban/codeofpractice/...
[obviously written before the Christchurch earthquakes of September and February]
Note that as these examples show, "earthquake susceptibility" can refer not only to the "proneness" of an area to be hit by an earthquake (irrespective of any damage caused), but also to the likelihood of damage occurring as the result of an earthquake.
Not only are Tokyo¹s endless streams of overhead wires slowly being reduced as a part of an effort to decrease EARTHQUAKE SUSCEPTIBILITY, ...
www.tokyoreporter.com/2008/06/30/tokyo-underground/
Reducing the number of overhead wires will not reduce the likelihood of an earthquake striking (earthquake susceptibility – susceptibility of earthquakes occurring or "capability of undergoing an earthquake", to take up the SOED expression), but it might reduce the likelihood of power outages (earthquake susceptibility = susceptibility of power outages occurring as a result of earthquake).
Prior to last September, Christchurch, NZ, was not generally regarded as being susceptible to (being struck by) major earthquakes. It has since been demonstrated that while - with two notable exceptions – its modern buildings are not susceptible to (likely to be seriously damaged by) earthquakes and nor are most homes (timber frame) of any age (with the exception of chimneys and brick-veneer walling), its unreinforced brick buildings were extremely susceptible to earthquakes, and collapsed on a massive scale.
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ALÉA ... Événement qui dépend du hasard; éventualité presque toujours défavorable (le plus souvent au plur. et accompagné d'un compl.) : Ce inconvénient compte parmi les aléas du métier (syn. RISQUE). Pendant quinze jours, la négociation entre les diplomates subit bien des aléas (= des hauts et des bas). Elle m'expliquait diverses professions, leurs avantages, leurs aléas.
[Dicobat]
Saying that aléa necessarily means "hazard" is a little categorical. From the word we get aléatoire, where the only notion of risk is the chance/possibility/risk that something might or might not happen. I suspect the UCLaval people are trusting a false friend. Aléa is no more "hazard" than aléatoire is "hazardous".
Note that while risque sismique (sing. & plur.) gets a little over 200,000 ghits, aléa sismique (sing. & plur.) gets ten times fewer, at 19,000. Assuming the author masters his language, why did he choose aléa rather than risque? For the simple reason that they are two different things, maybe:
Aléa sismique L’ALEA SISMIQUE indique la PROBABILITE D’UNE ACTION SISMIQUE due a la contribution des possibles tremblements de terre (de magnitude ou intensité différentes) lors d’une période de temps donnée. C’est L’ELEMENT DE BASE POUR L’ESTIMATION DU RISQUE SISMIQUE d’une région donnée.
http://isard.brgm.fr/article.php3?id_article=12
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More on risque/aléa sismique here :
http://www-dase.cea.fr/public/dossiers_thematiques/evaluatio...
SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY MAPS. Note: These guidelines are presented in draft form, pending review, update and approval by appropriate ...
www.oas.org/cdmp/document/kma/guidseis.htm
We are currently conducting research at the University of Missouri-Rolla to examine and analyze THE SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY of us Highway 60 and to provide ...
web.mst.edu/~rluna/us60eq/Intro_page.htm
INTRODUCTION Southwestern Montana and adjacent ldaho is a REGION OF HIGH SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY (Hill and Bartholomew, 1999: Bartholomew et al., ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0813723590...
As for the SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY, Beijing can be compared to Indian Seismic Zones 3 & 4. There are many propagandists of high-rises who ...
www.the2012discovery.com/2012-discovery/earthquake-in...at-...
SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY OF INDIAN SUBCONTINENT; Performance of structures under past earthquakes - Lessons learnt - Behaviour of RC, ...
www.sercm.org:7778/portal/page?_pageid=114,32154...
SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY ZONE Classification for the Mayagüez Area (Moya and McCann,. 1992). ...
earthquake.usgs.gov/research/external/reports/04HQGR0075.pdf
The California Department of Conservation issues maps of SEISMIC SUSCEPTIBILITY for the Bay area; they're reproduced in handy GIF format here. ...
geology.about.com › Geologic Maps
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Note added at 1 hr (2011-03-16 18:16:49 GMT)
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Otherwise "seismic zones" might cover it, if this is a caption for an illustration.
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Note added at 5 hrs (2011-03-16 22:17:52 GMT)
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143,000 ghits for "susceptible to earthquakes"
1160 "earthquake-susceptible"
which compares not too badly with the 1100 "alea sismique".
susceptible ... 1. Capable of taking, receiving, being affected by, or undergoing something.
[SOED]
An earthquake-prone area is one which is susceptible to suffer from earthquakes.
As for use by professionals in the field, the "Susceptibility Map of the San Francisco Bay Area" here, showing "very high" to "very low" liquefaction susceptibility was produced by the US Geological Survey
http://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/sfgeo/liquefaction/susceptibility...
Even though that’s the most powerful earthquake we know about in New England, Ebel [Boston College Professor of Geophysics] wouldn’t rule out the region has experienced a 7.0 and could again. But, he said, most seismologists would say THE REGION IS NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO EARTHQUAKES AS LARGE AS AN 8.0. [ ... ] CALIFORNIA IS DESERVEDLY NOTORIOUS FOR ITS EARTHQUAKE SUSCEPTIBILITY, Ebel said. “If I recorded earthquakes in California for one year and then came to New England, I’d have to record for 100 years to get the same amount of data,” Ebel said.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/bridgewater/features/x2034412703/...
I imagine that were New England to be hit by a mag.8 earthquake, despite being "NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO EARTHQUAKES AS LARGE AS AN 8.0", it would in fact prove to be highly susceptible to earthquakes in the sense that there would be lot of damage!
The topography and EARTHQUAKE SUSCEPTIBILITY OF WELLINGTON CITY requires the careful and considered development of water supply schemes and the application of water supply standards that may seem more onerous than those applicable in other centres.
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/urban/codeofpractice/...
[obviously written before the Christchurch earthquakes of September and February]
Note that as these examples show, "earthquake susceptibility" can refer not only to the "proneness" of an area to be hit by an earthquake (irrespective of any damage caused), but also to the likelihood of damage occurring as the result of an earthquake.
Not only are Tokyo¹s endless streams of overhead wires slowly being reduced as a part of an effort to decrease EARTHQUAKE SUSCEPTIBILITY, ...
www.tokyoreporter.com/2008/06/30/tokyo-underground/
Reducing the number of overhead wires will not reduce the likelihood of an earthquake striking (earthquake susceptibility – susceptibility of earthquakes occurring or "capability of undergoing an earthquake", to take up the SOED expression), but it might reduce the likelihood of power outages (earthquake susceptibility = susceptibility of power outages occurring as a result of earthquake).
Prior to last September, Christchurch, NZ, was not generally regarded as being susceptible to (being struck by) major earthquakes. It has since been demonstrated that while - with two notable exceptions – its modern buildings are not susceptible to (likely to be seriously damaged by) earthquakes and nor are most homes (timber frame) of any age (with the exception of chimneys and brick-veneer walling), its unreinforced brick buildings were extremely susceptible to earthquakes, and collapsed on a massive scale.
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ALÉA ... Événement qui dépend du hasard; éventualité presque toujours défavorable (le plus souvent au plur. et accompagné d'un compl.) : Ce inconvénient compte parmi les aléas du métier (syn. RISQUE). Pendant quinze jours, la négociation entre les diplomates subit bien des aléas (= des hauts et des bas). Elle m'expliquait diverses professions, leurs avantages, leurs aléas.
[Dicobat]
Saying that aléa necessarily means "hazard" is a little categorical. From the word we get aléatoire, where the only notion of risk is the chance/possibility/risk that something might or might not happen. I suspect the UCLaval people are trusting a false friend. Aléa is no more "hazard" than aléatoire is "hazardous".
Note that while risque sismique (sing. & plur.) gets a little over 200,000 ghits, aléa sismique (sing. & plur.) gets ten times fewer, at 19,000. Assuming the author masters his language, why did he choose aléa rather than risque? For the simple reason that they are two different things, maybe:
Aléa sismique L’ALEA SISMIQUE indique la PROBABILITE D’UNE ACTION SISMIQUE due a la contribution des possibles tremblements de terre (de magnitude ou intensité différentes) lors d’une période de temps donnée. C’est L’ELEMENT DE BASE POUR L’ESTIMATION DU RISQUE SISMIQUE d’une région donnée.
http://isard.brgm.fr/article.php3?id_article=12
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More on risque/aléa sismique here :
http://www-dase.cea.fr/public/dossiers_thematiques/evaluatio...
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liz askew
: politically correct maybe, but inaccurate and does not reflect the general view and terminology of experts in the field.
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philgoddard
: This might not be my first choice of translation, but I don't think it merits a disagree.
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cchat
: Just asked a colleague (Full Professor in Geology) to check out the discussion. He would use "seismic hazard" in English.
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seismic risk
I think this goes with area/zone better than hazard.
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Comparing http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://tasaclips.com/illu...
with your source-doc map would probably close the argument?
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Comparing http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://tasaclips.com/illu...
with your source-doc map would probably close the argument?
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silvester55
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rkillings
: "Seismic risk uses the results of a seismic hazard analysis, and includes both consequence and probability." (Wikipedia). And see http://en.inria.fr/research/news/mapping-seismic-risk.
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liz askew
: risque = risk
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Reference comments
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Reference:
aléa sismique
Aléa sismique
L’aléa sismique indique la probabilité d’une action sismique due a la contribution des possibles tremblements de terre (de magnitude ou intensité différentes) lors d’une période de temps donnée. C’est l’élément de base pour l’estimation du risque sismique d’une région donnée.
L’aléa sismique indique la probabilité d’une action sismique due a la contribution des possibles tremblements de terre (de magnitude ou intensité différentes) lors d’une période de temps donnée. C’est l’élément de base pour l’estimation du risque sismique d’une région donnée.
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j.bommer
I am currently supervising several post-graduate researchers in the area of seismic hazard, damage assessment, strong motion studies and ground-motion ...
www3.imperial.ac.uk/people/j.bommer - Cached - Simila
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Seismic Hazard Zones - City of Berkeley, CA
The following Seismic Hazard Zone data is provided by the State of California web site. The Seismic Hazard Zone Maps map may not show all areas that have ...
www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/contentdisplay.aspx?id=612 - Cached - Simila
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Can. J. Civ. Eng. 32(2): 361–371 (2005) | doi:10.1139/l04-098 | © 2005 NRC Canada
Regional seismic risk in British Columbia — damage and loss distribution in Victoria and Vancouver
Tuna Onur, Carlos E. Ventura, and W.D Liam Finn
Abstract: This paper presents the results of regional seismic risk assessment studies that were carried out for two cities in southwestern British Columbia, Vancouver and Victoria. Ground shaking intensity in the area was obtained using the seismic source zones delineated by the Geological Survey of Canada for a probability level of 10% chance of exceedance in 50 years. Building inventories were compiled by aggregating data from sidewalk surveys as well as municipal databases. Modified Mercalli intensity-based damage matrices that relate the level of ground shaking to the amount of damage expected in different types of structures were used to estimate damage to structural and non-structural components of buildings. Estimated damage and loss distributions were mapped on a block-by-block basis. The historic sections of the cities were estimated to have damage levels between 10% and 30% of the replacement cost, while in the rest of the cities the estimated damage was generally in the 5% to 10% range. The results show the estimated economic loss distribution is considerably different from the damage distribution. Although the older neighbourhoods of the cities are expected to suffer highest amount of damage, the highest amount of economic loss is estimated to occur in areas with concentration of concrete high-rise buildings.
Key words: seismic hazard, seismic risk, vulnerability, earthquake, damage, loss, probability, modified Mercalli intensity.
Résumé : Cet article présente les résultats d'études d'évaluation des risques sismiques régionaux qui ont été effectuées pour deux villes du sud-ouest de la Colombie-Britannique, Vancouver et Victoria. L'intensité des secousses sismiques dans la région a été obtenue en utilisant les zones de sources sismiques délimitées par la Commission géologique du Canada pour un niveau de probabilité de 10 % de dépassement en 50 ans. Les immeubles ont été inventoriés en colligeant des données provenant de relevés des trottoirs ainsi que des bases de données municipales. Les matrices des dommages basées sur l'échelle de Mercalli modifiée, laquelle relie le niveau de secousses sismiques à la quantité de dommage attendue pour divers types de structures, ont été utilisées pour évaluer les dommages aux composantes structurales et non structurales des immeubles. Les dommages estimés et les étalements des pertes ont été cartographiées en se basant sur les îlots urbains. Les secteurs historiques des villes ont été évalués comme ayant des niveaux de dommages entre 10 et 30 % du coût de remplacement, alors que le dommage estimé dans les autres secteurs des villes se situait généralement dans la plage de 5 à 10 %. Les résultats montrent que l'étalement estimé des pertes économiques diffère considérablement de l'étalement des dommages. Bien que l'on s'attende à ce que les plus vieux secteurs des villes subissent le plus de dommages, il est estimé que la plus grande perte économique surviendrait dans les zones présentant des concentrations d'immeubles en béton de grande hauteur.
Mots clés : aléa sismique, risque sismique, vulnérabilité, séisme, dommage, perte, probabilité, échelle de Mercalli modifiée.
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I am currently supervising several post-graduate researchers in the area of seismic hazard, damage assessment, strong motion studies and ground-motion ...
www3.imperial.ac.uk/people/j.bommer - Cached - Simila
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Seismic Hazard Zones - City of Berkeley, CA
The following Seismic Hazard Zone data is provided by the State of California web site. The Seismic Hazard Zone Maps map may not show all areas that have ...
www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/contentdisplay.aspx?id=612 - Cached - Simila
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Can. J. Civ. Eng. 32(2): 361–371 (2005) | doi:10.1139/l04-098 | © 2005 NRC Canada
Regional seismic risk in British Columbia — damage and loss distribution in Victoria and Vancouver
Tuna Onur, Carlos E. Ventura, and W.D Liam Finn
Abstract: This paper presents the results of regional seismic risk assessment studies that were carried out for two cities in southwestern British Columbia, Vancouver and Victoria. Ground shaking intensity in the area was obtained using the seismic source zones delineated by the Geological Survey of Canada for a probability level of 10% chance of exceedance in 50 years. Building inventories were compiled by aggregating data from sidewalk surveys as well as municipal databases. Modified Mercalli intensity-based damage matrices that relate the level of ground shaking to the amount of damage expected in different types of structures were used to estimate damage to structural and non-structural components of buildings. Estimated damage and loss distributions were mapped on a block-by-block basis. The historic sections of the cities were estimated to have damage levels between 10% and 30% of the replacement cost, while in the rest of the cities the estimated damage was generally in the 5% to 10% range. The results show the estimated economic loss distribution is considerably different from the damage distribution. Although the older neighbourhoods of the cities are expected to suffer highest amount of damage, the highest amount of economic loss is estimated to occur in areas with concentration of concrete high-rise buildings.
Key words: seismic hazard, seismic risk, vulnerability, earthquake, damage, loss, probability, modified Mercalli intensity.
Résumé : Cet article présente les résultats d'études d'évaluation des risques sismiques régionaux qui ont été effectuées pour deux villes du sud-ouest de la Colombie-Britannique, Vancouver et Victoria. L'intensité des secousses sismiques dans la région a été obtenue en utilisant les zones de sources sismiques délimitées par la Commission géologique du Canada pour un niveau de probabilité de 10 % de dépassement en 50 ans. Les immeubles ont été inventoriés en colligeant des données provenant de relevés des trottoirs ainsi que des bases de données municipales. Les matrices des dommages basées sur l'échelle de Mercalli modifiée, laquelle relie le niveau de secousses sismiques à la quantité de dommage attendue pour divers types de structures, ont été utilisées pour évaluer les dommages aux composantes structurales et non structurales des immeubles. Les dommages estimés et les étalements des pertes ont été cartographiées en se basant sur les îlots urbains. Les secteurs historiques des villes ont été évalués comme ayant des niveaux de dommages entre 10 et 30 % du coût de remplacement, alors que le dommage estimé dans les autres secteurs des villes se situait généralement dans la plage de 5 à 10 %. Les résultats montrent que l'étalement estimé des pertes économiques diffère considérablement de l'étalement des dommages. Bien que l'on s'attende à ce que les plus vieux secteurs des villes subissent le plus de dommages, il est estimé que la plus grande perte économique surviendrait dans les zones présentant des concentrations d'immeubles en béton de grande hauteur.
Mots clés : aléa sismique, risque sismique, vulnérabilité, séisme, dommage, perte, probabilité, échelle de Mercalli modifiée.
[Traduit par la Rédaction]
Discussion
Earthquake Hazard and Risk
Hazard and risk are two fundamentally different concepts. In general terms, hazard is a phenomenon that has potential to cause harm. Phenomena are both natural and man-made. For example, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, and floods are natural hazards; whereas car crashes, chemical spills, train derailments, and terror attacks are man-made hazards. Risk, on the other hand, is the probability (chance) of harm if someone or something that is vulnerable is exposed to a hazard. In quantitative terms, hazard is defined by three parameters: a level of hazard (severity), its occurrence frequency, and location, for example, a fatal car crash (severity) in every month at a specific intersection. And risk is defined by four parameters: a probability, level of severity, time period, and location. For example, in health sciences, risk is defined as the likelihood (probability) of getting cancer (severity) if an average daily dose of a hazardous substance is taken over a 70-year lifeti
for an example that probably corresponds to Asker's map caption.
Aléa (Hazard in English): Probabilité qu'un danger particulier (menace) se produise durant une période de temps donnée. Remarque: Aussi souvent considéré ...
www.lern.ggl.ulaval.ca/lern101.htm - Cached
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TmabxBo...