| Stranica u temi: < [1 2 3] > | Proposal for new classification system: top KudoZ askers Postavljač teme: Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL
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Jeff Whittaker 
Sjedinjene Američke Države
Local time: 19:07
španjolski na engleski
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If this is really a problem, here is my solution:
While certainly interesting, the Asked/Answered indicator alone does not give you a complete picture.
For example, I have asked a total of 95 questions - but that is in five years (or an average of around 1.5 questions per month). The length of time a person has been an active member of this site must be taken into consideration.
Secondly, just as some people randomly add "agrees" in order to earn BrowniZ, t... See more If this is really a problem, here is my solution:
While certainly interesting, the Asked/Answered indicator alone does not give you a complete picture.
For example, I have asked a total of 95 questions - but that is in five years (or an average of around 1.5 questions per month). The length of time a person has been an active member of this site must be taken into consideration.
Secondly, just as some people randomly add "agrees" in order to earn BrowniZ, there is nothing to stop people from randomly adding "answers" by copying previous answerers in order to raise their ratio. Also, I am sure that all will agree that we want quality answers and not people who are answering just to increase their asked/answered ratio.
I would leave the Asked/Answered indicator as is, but add a prominent indicator (on the translator's profile page and with each KudoZ question) that states: "Questions asked this month = X" (and possibly also "Monthly Average = xx").
If for some reason you do run into difficulty and need to post a lot of questions within a particular month (and you can always indicate the reasons for this in your questions), this amount will be reset to zero the next month.
For example, if I come across a KudoZ question and I see that this particular person has asked 130 questions this month (with no explanation) and based on their Asked/Answered ratio, I can choose not to respond if this is a problem for me.
On the other hand, if it is May 25, for example, and I see that this person has only asked 2 questions the entire month and does not have an outrageous Asked/Answered ratio, I can be reasonably confident that this person is not taking advanatge of the KudoZ system.
To take it a step further, in addition to indicating "Questions asked this month: x", we could also indicate "Monthly average: x". If you saw a person who has asked 150 questions this month and has a monthly average of asking 100 questions every month, you could again choose not to respond.
If you need to ask a lot of questions one month and if you are not an "abuser" of the system, your monthly average will indicate this.
This would also discourage people from creating "new" profiles to ask questions because a new member's monthly average would be the same as the number of questions asked.
This idea and the plans to implement limits on the number of questions that a single person can ask in a limited time period (See http://www.proz.com/topic/32454 ) should all but eliminate abuse. As a bonus side effect, it will also help reduce the number of low-paying job offers when these abusers, if they exist, no longer have unlimited access to free assistance and are forced to turn down assignments for which they are not qualified.
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| | | | | maybe I should have put offenders in inverted quotes... | May 19, 2005 |
Obviously, everybody is free to ask, but since ProZ.com is going down the path of statistics, I thought it would be a good idea.
Ok, maybe we should add the number of questions answered next to the number of questions asked. Why not? A KudoZ ranking (best performers), one for the questions asked, and one for the questions answered. It's just statistics, isn'it? It just makes it easier to get the whole picture. And I know that this sounds like the realiability ratio, but I don't want any p... See more Obviously, everybody is free to ask, but since ProZ.com is going down the path of statistics, I thought it would be a good idea.
Ok, maybe we should add the number of questions answered next to the number of questions asked. Why not? A KudoZ ranking (best performers), one for the questions asked, and one for the questions answered. It's just statistics, isn'it? It just makes it easier to get the whole picture. And I know that this sounds like the realiability ratio, but I don't want any percentage, just the bare facts. It's not crucifixion, just a little reminder to the people who use the service extensively. Maybe if they realise how much the community is giving, they would try and give as well.
Giovanni
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| | | | Monika Coulson
Local time: 17:07
Član (2001)
engleski na albanski
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LOKALIZATOR PORTALA | It is already done Giovanni | May 19, 2005 |
If you check under the name of the asker, and he is a logged ProZ.com member, you will see the ratio of the questions asked and answered. It looks something like that:
Q/A: 1/1
Now the numbers are different for each member though
It is a nice feature for those who like statistics
Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:
Ok, maybe we should add the number of questions answered next to the number of questions asked.
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| good and bad boys/girls | May 19, 2005 |
Monika Coulson wrote:
If you check under the name of the asker, and he is a logged ProZ.com member, you will see the ratio of the questions asked and answered. It looks something like that:
Q/A: 1/1
I know Monica. But I would like these statistics shown on my list... I don't want to visit each single member to find out whether they have been good or bad boys and girls...
Giovanni
| | | | leff
Local time: 01:07
engleski na poljski
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U sjećanje | Asking KudoZ questions isn't a shame | May 19, 2005 |
Real shame is breaking KudoZ Rules in questioning.
Not grading questions is a shame.
Asking questions like See below or Phrase is a shame.
Asking long series of questions is a shame.
Asking questions without any context is a shame.
Not even trying to find answer anywhere before asking question is a shame.
Declining answers without reasonable explanation is a shame.
Even permanent grading questions without saying just 'Thank you' is a... See more Real shame is breaking KudoZ Rules in questioning.
Not grading questions is a shame.
Asking questions like See below or Phrase is a shame.
Asking long series of questions is a shame.
Asking questions without any context is a shame.
Not even trying to find answer anywhere before asking question is a shame.
Declining answers without reasonable explanation is a shame.
Even permanent grading questions without saying just 'Thank you' is a shame.
Remember that KudoZ service was created to allow asking questions related to translation. Then asking questions can't be a shame.
it's my 0.03 PLN
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| | | | Mats Wiman
Švedska
Local time: 01:07
Član (2000)
njemački na švedski
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U sjećanje | KudoZ is linguistics, forums are opinions or info | May 19, 2005 |
Kirill Semenov wrote:
And what is common to both forums and kudoZ is that we should not be indifferent. My own `golden rule' is "don't pass by when you see that something is wrong". So when I see at proZ something I do not like (including kudoZ problems and abuses) I usually don't simply pass by -- I go to forums to discuss issues and to find solutions. Not just to say or hear `it's OK as it is, so forget it if you don't like it'.
Wrong!
KudoZ: Question. Answer, Yes or No? Period.
Forum: Exchange, yes exchange of ideas or info.
Mats
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| Thank you leff, for an excellent summation | May 19, 2005 |
leff wrote:
Not grading questions is a shame.
Asking questions like See below or Phrase is a shame.
Asking long series of questions is a shame.
Asking questions without any context is a shame.
Not even trying to find answer anywhere before asking question is a shame.
Declining answers without reasonable explanation is a shame.
Even permanent grading questions without saying just 'Thank you' is a shame.
The problem is not numeric. "Too many" questions is a problem only because it indicates other problems behind it, like:
- The asker has nothing better to do (for many people, the experience of receiving a personalized response while still remaining anonymous is almost euphoric and can be pretty addictive);
- The asker is not a professional translator and is merely using KudoZ to "learn" a language;
- The asker is a translator who is handling outside of his/her area of experise (source language, target language, subject matter);
- The asker thinks KudoZ is a substitute for dictionaries and corroborative online search.
In other words, the number is merely a symptom. We get disgusted with interminable questions from the same source (often under many identities) because we think of ProZ as a place for professionals to share and network, not a common lounge for those who either have no professional connection to translation or who wish to have their work done for them by others. The remedy is to use all possible means to unabshedly reinforce our professional identity and image and to have low tolerance for unprofessional conduct. The list of "shameful" behavior that Leff listed above shows areas that need attention in this regard.
Limiting the number of allowed questions will be a most welcome change, but we need to continue evolving as an unmistakably professional site in many other ways. Allowing unlimited questions then shaming the behavior on a public list does not accmplish the goal and does not make much sense anyway. Why allow something then shame it?
| | | | Klaus Herrmann
Njemačka
Local time: 01:07
Član (2002)
engleski na njemački
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| Can we get back to mudslinging, please? | May 19, 2005 |
What happened? When I joined this community about three years ago, there was a lot of mudslinging in the fora but a mostly friendly and constructive atmosphere in the KudoZ section. Now, everyone is behaving quite civilized and offers a constructive approach, but obviously many members seem to be offended by frequent askes, too easy questions, etc. Not that it would be necessary, but I'd rather receive an email suggesting that I refrain from answering an asker who has 1852/16 q/a's than implemen... See more What happened? When I joined this community about three years ago, there was a lot of mudslinging in the fora but a mostly friendly and constructive atmosphere in the KudoZ section. Now, everyone is behaving quite civilized and offers a constructive approach, but obviously many members seem to be offended by frequent askes, too easy questions, etc. Not that it would be necessary, but I'd rather receive an email suggesting that I refrain from answering an asker who has 1852/16 q/a's than implementing a hall of shame, asker of the month or any other deterrent. It's quite frustrating to read the questions in my SC, e.g. questions for terms that have been asked 5 times before, colleagues translating into German who seem to be unable to use umlauts - or who think we're not worth the extra effort of pressing Alt-Shift in order to switch keyboard layouts (but I'm disgressing). Rather than implementing more rules and regulations, I'd think some more community spirit would go a long way. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Kim Metzger
Meksiko
Local time: 17:07
njemački na engleski
| Community spirit | May 20, 2005 |
Klaus Herrmann wrote:
It's quite frustrating to read the questions in my SC, e.g. questions for terms that have been asked 5 times before, colleagues translating into German who seem to be unable to use umlauts - or who think we're not worth the extra effort of pressing Alt-Shift in order to switch keyboard layouts (but I'm disgressing). Rather than implementing more rules and regulations, I'd think some more community spirit would go a long way.
Agree, Klaus. I remember the days of frank but civilized and humorous, witty comments and "debate" in English to German KudoZ. I don't participate much in that pair anymore because I got my fingers burned too often - as a non-native speaker, so I can't say from personal experience if things have changed drastically. I think I learned as much about translating when I first started out in Eng-Ger as in the forums. The community spirit worked wonders in English to German, and most of the time in German to English.
If I understand what you mean by "community spirit", it's members helping members become better translators. Rules and regulations may be stifling the kind of interaction that does the most to keep a KudoZ community healthy.
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Henry wrote:
Hi Giovanni.
Stats are shown on the KudoZ pages, if this is not prominent enough we can of course make it stand out more. I don't like the idea of a list, though.
you don't like the idea of the list. But how are you going to make the stats more prominent? As I said before, my idea behind the ranking (top KudoZ askers) was to make the Prozians who ask too many questions more aware of their behaviour. As usual, it's annoying to see a non platinum member with stats like 2568/7...
Giovanni
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| Only non-plats? | May 20, 2005 |
Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:
.... As usual, it's annoying to see a non platinum member with stats like 2568/7...
Giovanni
Personally I find it just as annoying to see Platinum members with those stats. :-\
| | | | | Kudoz is about asking, in the first place | May 20, 2005 |
Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:
it's annoying to see a non platinum member with stats like 2568/7...
Giovanni
I don't think the problem is about paying or not to be able to ask questions, or even being registered or not. I was complaining the other day about the number of questions an asker could have avoided to ask simply with the use of a very simple dictionary. I also don't think the main problem is that a person asks a lot of questions and answers none (what about new translators? Maybe they are not confident enough to answer questions. I began answering just a month ago, because I didn't have the confidence to do it some years ago).
We also complain about blatantly wrong answers or copied answers, but we are also annoyed by people who don't answer but they ask? I believed this was all about learning, and everyone is free to contribute their own way. And, let me say, IMO, I think asking questions is also a way of contributing to the site, as long as the questions are not repeated or far too simple. We all learn with that and have interesting discussions about terms, and having interesting questions allow us to keep our brains working and earn some Kudoz, if not only for the fun of it.
Of course I complain about abuse, you can all see my post, but I believe this is going in a direction it was probably not aimed to go in the beginning.
| | | | moken
Local time: 00:07
engleski na španjolski
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| Q. 15343654 A. 6 | May 20, 2005 |
In my opinion, Kudoz is neither about asking nor answering, but about sharing.
I think we should all have enough common sense to understand that somebody who only ever asks questions, does not have a (paying) membership and has no further site input (not even grading with a smile and a thank you) has no interest whatsoever in helping anybody out but him/herself.
It's fair game to some, but not to me. My own personal stance is to skip this type of system abuser and if ... See more
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