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Glossary entry

Dutch term or phrase:

afwijkende signalen

English translation:

(listen for) disagreement

Added to glossary by Lianne van de Ven
Feb 25, 2016 16:42
8 yrs ago
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Dutch term

afwijkende signalen

Dutch to English Bus/Financial Management
And while I'm at it, I might as well trouble you guys with another question :-)

Er wordt in een strategiedocument gezegd dat geluisterd moet worden naar "afwijkende signalen" van collega's?

Wat moet ik daaronder verstaan? Bedoelt men ook echt afwijkingen als in fraude? En bedoelden ze met 'signalen' dat je moet opletten of collega's verkeerd bezig zijn, of dat je er open voor moet staan als collega's aan de bel trekken omdat er iets mis lijkt te zijn?

Any ideas?
Proposed translations (English)
4 +4 (listen for) disagreement
4 +2 opposing voices
3 +3 dissenting opinions
3 +2 divergent signals
5 divergent views
Change log

Mar 10, 2016 04:04: Lianne van de Ven Created KOG entry

Mar 10, 2016 04:04: Lianne van de Ven changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/787187">Lianne van de Ven's</a> old entry - "afwijkende signalen"" to ""(listen for) disagreement""

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (1): Michael Beijer

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Discussion

Michael Beijer Mar 22, 2016:
in the text I am working on today I just came across:

"Afwijkende meningen zijn welkom en een goede discussie gaat niemand uit de weg."

Same strekking. Just though I would mention it for future Googlers.
Michael Beijer Feb 29, 2016:
@Emma: Just came across yet another one of your recent queries in the text I am currently translating (also came across "executiekracht" a page or so up). I wonder if we are working on the same thing?

My current segment:

"• We luisteren beter naar afwijkende signalen van onze medewerkers"

I think i am actually going to go with:

<font size="2" color="blue">divergent views</font> (also just added this as a new answer)
Emma Rault (X) (asker) Feb 28, 2016:
Nee, ze bedoelen 100% zeker collega's binnen het eigen bedrijf, blijkt uit latere verwijzingen in de tekst
Lianne van de Ven Feb 26, 2016:
Collega's en collega's Wie wel en geen collega's zijn hangt af van de context. Als freelancers zijn wij inderdaad collega's, maar binnen een bedrijf zou je zeggen "mijn collega bij X denkt daar anders over" als het om een collega bij een ander bedrijf gaat. "Mijn collega Jan is het daar niet mee eens" werkt in hetzelfde bedrijf.
Tina Vonhof (X) Feb 26, 2016:
Dan zouden wij zelfstandige vertalers dus geen collega's hebben?
Lianne van de Ven Feb 26, 2016:
Collega's vs other companies Dat lijkt mij niet, Tina. Collega's zijn toch medewerkers binnen eenzelfde bedrijf, in deze context althans? Natuurlijk moet er ook gelet worden op wat andere bedrijven doen, maar dat staat er m.i. niet.
Tina Vonhof (X) Feb 26, 2016:
The way I read this is that they should watch/listen for signals from others in the field who have different strategies. These are just signals coming from outside, not spoken opinions from within the company. Maybe they find out that others have a different strategy that would indicate that it may be worth continuing with 'vastgoed exploitatie' (which I would translate as 'real estate exploitation' to distinguish it from other types of property).
Barend van Zadelhoff Feb 25, 2016:
Volgens mij betekent het dat men een andere/afwijkende mening mag zijn toegedaan zonder dat dit meteen inhoudt dat er actie op wordt ondernomen, d.w.z. dat de strategie wordt aangepast.

De uiteindelijke beslissingsbevoegdheid ligt bij iemand anders.

Proposed translations

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3 hrs
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(listen for) disagreement

This is part of the issue that is known as "confirmation bias" which can provide you with wrong information if you don't pay attention.

"Surround yourself with a diverse group of people, and don't be afraid to listen to dissenting views."
https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/avoiding-psychologic...

Five tips to avoid confirmation bias
http://www.ihavenet.com/Entrepreneur-Five-Tips-to-Avoid-Conf...

Peer comment(s):
agree Barend van Zadelhoff : Een wat meer theoretische/abstracte/beschouwende invalshoek/toevoeging. // Niet alleen handig, essentieel: aan geloof hebben we niks: To understand or not to understand at all...and continue to be a monkey. Amen. :-)
14 mins
Volgens mij heeft de server enige problemen, mijn reactie was alweer verdwenen. Dank je! Ja, weten waar zaken vandaan komen is handig, én belangrijk.
agree Verginia Ophof : those are the ones the business learns from
17 hrs
agree Kitty Brussaard : Disagreement, dissenting/opposing/contradictory views/opinions... All seems fine to me, particularly in the absence of more detailed information about asker's actual context.
21 hrs
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : Dissenting views is a good option i.m.o.
1 day 20 hrs
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+2
7 mins

divergent signals

I believe the intention is to watch for any action in the report that strays from the clearly defined strategy. A lot of managers have a tendency to unconsciously add some of their own department goals into strategy documents. Thus, the "divergent signals" indicate action items that do not align with the strategy.

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Michael's answer is much better... his answer works even if the intention is as I described.
Note from asker:
But if the issues raised by these employees are irrelevant (because they are, as you say, related to departmental, rather than overall, goals), why would you need to "listen" to them? That doesn't make sense to me.
Peer comment(s):
agree Wiard Sterk : I think divergence should be in there, deviate or different may also work.
30 mins
agree Michael Beijer : now prefer "divergent views" myself, but this is also fine
3 days 7 hrs
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+2
7 mins

opposing voices

e.g. "allow opposing voices to be heard"

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Note added at 9 mins (2016-02-25 16:52:04 GMT)
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some examples plucked from the interwebs:

"Democracy means that individuals and groups who despise one another should still allow opposing voices to be heard, writes William ..."

"... left to the good will of those in power to encourage listening to opposing voices. ..."

"Any opposing voices were regarded as potential sources of incipient controversy. ..."

"Listening to voices in the migrant microcosm, I discerned two opposing voices. ..."

"I feel that the ability to make space for these opposing voices to be ..."

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Note added at 40 mins (2016-02-25 17:22:41 GMT)
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or "divergent voices"

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Note added at 1 hr (2016-02-25 17:45:52 GMT)
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or "different voices"
Peer comment(s):
neutral Wiard Sterk : They are not necessarily opposing voices, but they diverge from the strategy. Not really, they may provide a different viewpoint and alternative direction, but not oppose the current one.
29 mins
same difference, methinks / all we are told is "...dat geluisterd moet worden naar "afwijkende signalen" van collega's" ... they might be saying things that go against the policy, or part of it, or that are just different/divergent. not enough context
agree Richard Purdom : well why not. Not necessarily 'opposing' (synchronicity with Wiard :/), could just be 'different ideas' or a lot of other stuff. impossible to tell with no context though.
31 mins
Thanks Richard. "divergent voices", "opposing voices" – both sound fine to me. And I'm sure there are about 900 more we could come up with, if we had the time.
agree Kitty Brussaard : Indeed, why not :-) @Wiard: we do not know if these views/voices are 'afwijkend' in the sense of diverging from the strategy. For all we know, listening to them might be part of the strategy itself, i.e. encouraging openness to 'organisational dissent'.
1 day 35 mins
Thanks Kitty!
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+3
1 hr

dissenting opinions

Volgens mij betekent het dat men een andere/afwijkende mening mag zijn toegedaan zonder dat dit meteen inhoudt dat er actie op wordt ondernomen, d.w.z. dat de strategie wordt aangepast.

De uiteindelijke beslissingsbevoegdheid ligt bij iemand anders.

If you’re going to undertake a massive shift in your company’s strategy, you’d be wise to start by surrounding yourself with a solid team of A-players. These folks need to be willing to speak their mind, offer dissenting opinions, and especially be willing to challenge the CEO and other senior executives when required. You can’t afford to have a team of “yes men.” Your team must be populated with bright, accomplished, capable individuals—experts in their disciplines—who are discontent with the status quo.

https://execrank.com/board-of-directors-articles/sometimes-t...
Peer comment(s):
agree Lianne van de Ven : This is closest to how I see and would phrase it (besides my own suggestion, of course).
1 hr
Dank je, Lianne.
agree Kitty Brussaard : Another good option, provided we're all on the right track here in assuming that this is about encouraging openness to 'organisational dissent'. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_dissent.
23 hrs
Thank you, Kitty. This is what 'afwijkende signalen' sounded like to me at least but you never know for sure without the complete context in these cases.
agree Tina Vonhof (X)
1 day 21 hrs
Dank je, Tina!
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3 days 7 hrs

divergent views

as in:

We respect the divergent views of our clients & our workplace colleagues.
We treat with great respect divergent views of our team members and those we serve.
Example sentence:

We respect the divergent views of our clients & our workplace colleagues.

We treat with great respect divergent views of our team members and those we serve.

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