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amipro
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My Name is Amy and I'm new to this forum. This place amazes me. It gathers so many friendly professional E/C translators and people are always willing to give advice.
A couple of things about myself. I came here from mainland China in year 2007 and became a resident since then. Being an English teacher and working for Education related companies in most of my career time, I've always loved translating and have been constantly working as a part-time E-C/C-E translator while I worke... See more My Name is Amy and I'm new to this forum. This place amazes me. It gathers so many friendly professional E/C translators and people are always willing to give advice.
A couple of things about myself. I came here from mainland China in year 2007 and became a resident since then. Being an English teacher and working for Education related companies in most of my career time, I've always loved translating and have been constantly working as a part-time E-C/C-E translator while I worked in Shanghai.
Now I have a full-time job in USA and still want to pick up some translation work. Surprisingly I find this forum. It feels like home.. although my translation skills need a lot of polishing after 2 years pause.
Here I have a couple of questions to ask about ATA vs Proz.com.
1. Given that I live in USA and wants to reach out for USA clients, is ATA good enough? I recall Ysun said that ATA has a yearly membership fee. If I only pass the test ($300 of exam fee), and not join their listing, do I still need to pay?
2. Is proz.com good at attracting U.S.A. based clients?
Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. Thanks. ^O^ ▲ Collapse
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amipro wrote:
Here I have a couple of questions to ask about ATA vs Proz.com.
1. Given that I live in USA and wants to reach out for USA clients, is ATA good enough? I recall Ysun said that ATA has a yearly membership fee. If I only pass the test ($300 of exam fee), and not join their listing, do I still need to pay?
2. Is proz.com good at attracting U.S.A. based clients?
Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. Thanks. ^O^
Amy,
首先表示一下欢迎！
关于 ATA Certification Program，你必须首先注册成为 ATA 的会员才能参加考试。目前的年费是$217。考试费是$300。如果你通过了考试，那就必须继续保持你的会员资格，并满足 continuing education requirements，否则 Certification 资格就会作废。详见：
https://www.atanet.org/certification/eligibility_faqs.php
Eligibility Requirements
Frequently Asked Questions
至于 "to reach out for USA clients, is ATA good enough? " 这个问题无简单答案。建议你先作一下换位思考，假设自己是一个寻找翻译的客户，然后利用 ATA 的搜索工具，根据自己预设的一些标准，进行搜索。然后，把你自己的条件与搜索出来的那些会员作一比较。看看你是否是 outstanding？如果结论是肯定的，那么以后客户主动找你的几率就会较高。这一方法同样适用于 Proz.com。
| | | | jyuan_us
Statele Unite
Local time: 02:37
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ysun wrote: amipro wrote:
Here I have a couple of questions to ask about ATA vs Proz.com.
1. Given that I live in USA and wants to reach out for USA clients, is ATA good enough? I recall Ysun said that ATA has a yearly membership fee. If I only pass the test ($300 of exam fee), and not join their listing, do I still need to pay?
2. Is proz.com good at attracting U.S.A. based clients?
Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. Thanks. ^O^ Amy, 首先表示一下欢迎！ 关于 ATA Certification Program，你必须首先注册成为 ATA 的会员才能参加考试。目前的年费是$217。考试费是$300。如果你通过了考试，那就必须继续保持你的会员资格，并满足 continuing education requirements，否则 Certification 资格就会作废。详见： https://www.atanet.org/certification/eligibility_faqs.php Eligibility Requirements Frequently Asked Questions 至于 "to reach out for USA clients, is ATA good enough? " 这个问题无简单答案。建议你先作一下换位思考，假设自己是一个寻找翻译的客户，然后利用 ATA 的搜索工具，根据自己预设的一些标准，进行搜索。然后，把你自己的条件与搜索出来的那些会员作一比较。看看你是否是 outstanding？如果结论是肯定的，那么以后客户主动找你的几率就会较高。这一方法同样适用于 Proz.com。
一共收到不到$100的活兒。賠了。我覺得自己的簡歷寫得不錯啊。
| | | | ysun
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jyuan_us wrote:
我在ATA一年
一共收到不到$100的活兒。賠了。我覺得自己的簡歷寫得不錯啊。
记得你说过，客户通过ATA来找你（泛指）的几率跟中乐透奖差不多（大意）。我认为不能一概而论。如果你通过 ProZ 找英译中翻译。除了把 Residence 设成 U.S. 以外，把其它所有参数都设成 Any。那么你得到的结果将是 52 members + 1,200 non-members。可见，在美国至少有1,252人从事英译中。（其中阁下名列榜首，显然是因为KudoZ 分数最多。所以，上帝是公平的。）
现在我们再上 ATA 做同样游戏。假设我们要找住在美国的英译中翻译，而且把 Area specialization 设成 any。那么结果将是 237 Entries Found。也就是说，如果客户通过 ATA 找翻译，上述那 1,252人中至少有1,000人没戏。所以起码可以说，参加 ATA 也许还有机会，但不参加则肯定没有（通过其它途径找项目不在此话题之内）。现在继续做游戏。举个例子。如果把 Area specialization 设成 Medical (General)， 结果将是 122 Entries Found。客户从这122人中去挑，恐怕会挑花眼睛。如果把 Area specialization 设成 Medical (Genetics)，结果将是 7 Entries Found。也就是说，这些人每人被挑中的几率至少将是1/7。你若看看那7人的简介，有的人寥寥几笔。这样的人基本没戏，等于把机会拱手让人。我想，我们应该可以从这个游戏中悟出些道理来，设法提高自己的中奖几率。这个游戏同样也适用于 ProZ。
我参加 ATA 之后，当月就收到一个至少够交10年会费的项目。后来陆续又有一些通过ATA找来的客户，包括欧洲、日本的客户。可以说，现在几乎每星期都有人声称是通过 ATA 找到我的。当然，有的人只是问问价而已。有的也只是为了解决一时之需，例如很难译的化工论文，尤其是中译英。但也有的成了长期稳定的客户。
我个人认为参加 ATA 和 ProZ 都是值得的。我自2002年参加 ProZ 活动以来，只投过两次标，中了一次。这个项目也至少够我交10年会费。声明一下，我不是给 ATA 当托。:D
[Edited at 2009-11-01 16:29 GMT]
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ysun
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| 此游戏规则同样适用于 ProZ | Nov 1, 2009 |
对于 ATA 这个话题，不在美国的人一般不会有兴趣。但是，此游戏规则同样适用于 ProZ。不少人在 ProZ 报个到之后（甚至连报到都不报），从不答题，从不参加论坛讨论，也就是说，一直在后排就坐，或潜在深水中。其实，只要稍微化点时间，在 KudoZ 拿上400分，就可以保证你的名字出现在第一页。如果你（泛指）去 ProZ 的 directory搜索，结果连自己的名字都搜索不出来，还能指望客户能把你搜出来？还有的人，Profile 上什么信息都没有，即使客户能把你搜出来也就是一瞄而过，还能主动来找你？
很多资深翻译包括 ProZ 的创始人 Henry 都建议，Get specialized！这是至理名言。
[Edited at 2009-11-01 12:49 GMT]
| | | | kenny2006woo (X)
Local time: 14:37
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我很想参与问题讨论，但页面总打不开。我开始以为是我的电脑的问题，但我把链接发给了一个在北京的朋友，结果还是无法打开。另外，我在隔壁朋友的电脑上也试过，也不行。
对了，我在海南。
请问在内地的朋友都打不开吗？
I am eager to participate in "KudoZ term translation questions", but I cannot access the webpage. I thought that there might be something wrong with my PC ... See more 我很想参与问题讨论，但页面总打不开。我开始以为是我的电脑的问题，但我把链接发给了一个在北京的朋友，结果还是无法打开。另外，我在隔壁朋友的电脑上也试过，也不行。
对了，我在海南。
请问在内地的朋友都打不开吗？
I am eager to participate in "KudoZ term translation questions", but I cannot access the webpage. I thought that there might be something wrong with my PC but that possibility was excluded when I sent the URL to one of my friends in Beijing who could not open the page either. I also tried the URL on my neighbour's computer and the result was negative too.
Are all users in the mainland denied access to the section?
PS: I am in Hainan
[Edited at 2009-11-02 14:39 GMT] ▲ Collapse
| | | | Adsion Liu
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Please post this question in English, and maybe the top management can notice that...
I have experience the same when I traveled back Chine this September, in North China....
| | | | Adsion Liu
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| My experience | Nov 2, 2009 |
jyuan_us wrote: ysun wrote: amipro wrote:
Here I have a couple of questions to ask about ATA vs Proz.com.
1. Given that I live in USA and wants to reach out for USA clients, is ATA good enough? I recall Ysun said that ATA has a yearly membership fee. If I only pass the test ($300 of exam fee), and not join their listing, do I still need to pay?
2. Is proz.com good at attracting U.S.A. based clients?
Any suggestions will be highly appreciated. Thanks. ^O^ Amy, 首先表示一下欢迎！ 关于 ATA Certification Program，你必须首先注册成为 ATA 的会员才能参加考试。目前的年费是$217。考试费是$300。如果你通过了考试，那就必须继续保持你的会员资格，并满足 continuing education requirements，否则 Certification 资格就会作废。详见： https://www.atanet.org/certification/eligibility_faqs.php Eligibility Requirements Frequently Asked Questions 至于 "to reach out for USA clients, is ATA good enough? " 这个问题无简单答案。建议你先作一下换位思考，假设自己是一个寻找翻译的客户，然后利用 ATA 的搜索工具，根据自己预设的一些标准，进行搜索。然后，把你自己的条件与搜索出来的那些会员作一比较。看看你是否是 outstanding？如果结论是肯定的，那么以后客户主动找你的几率就会较高。这一方法同样适用于 Proz.com。 一共收到不到$100的活兒。賠了。我覺得自己的簡歷寫得不錯啊。
我在OTTIAQ每年要交500多$，並且明年還要漲...但目前感觉还是值，哪天感觉不值了，考虑向ATA努力。不知各位同仁作何感想？
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ysun
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jyuan_us wrote:
我在ATA一年
一共收到不到$100的活兒。賠了。我覺得自己的簡歷寫得不錯啊。
东方不亮西方亮。不是非靠ATA 不可。记得你说过你忙得连发票都没工夫做，准备雇秘书。那么能否介绍一下你是如何找项目的？
[Edited at 2009-11-03 00:12 GMT]
| | | | amipro
Local time: 23:37
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INIŢIATORUL SUBIECTULUI | thanks for all the replies | Nov 3, 2009 |
这段时间忙，都没有上来潜水，真是多谢大家的回复。
ATA的年费，vs 可能因此带来的收益，现在看起来似乎见仁见智。有前辈说值这个钱的，也有说proz更好的。我的主要concern其实就是客户来源。如果proz似乎需要比较多时间混在这里努力增加自己的见光度，而且要比较能够埋头于翻译事业，我还真做不到，惭愧一个。受ysun的启示，找时间丰富我自己的profile先。。。大家继续讨论啊，，我会多努力的。再次感谢~
| | | | ysun
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amipro wrote:
ATA的年费，vs 可能因此带来的收益，现在看起来似乎见仁见智。有前辈说值这个钱的，也有说proz更好的。我的主要concern其实就是客户来源。如果proz似乎需要比较多时间混在这里努力增加自己的见光度，而且要比较能够埋头于翻译事业，我还真做不到，惭愧一个。受ysun的启示，找时间丰富我自己的profile先。。。
有人说，翻译这个行业对不同的人而言，是饿的人饿死，撑的人撑死；对同一人而言，也是饿的时候饿死，撑的时候撑死。我看这种说法有一定道理。所以，对于参加 ATA 或 Proz 是否值得，不可能有统一意见。
我前面说的那些话，并非是专门针对你说的，而是随感而发。那个“新秀签到处”三天两头就有人签到。可是，如果签到之后就马上又消失，那么签到又有什么意义呢？丰富 profile 是至关重要的。如果 profile 上什么都没有，客户即使搜索到你，也就马上略过去了。
当然，也有极个别人是有意在 profile 上什么信息都不显示，因为他们来此就是来找茬打架的。那又另当别论。好在这里有规矩，还有 moderators 和 staff members 管着，否则就肯定会和其它地方的某些翻译网站一样，打的不可开交，甚至连什么龌龊的话都能骂出来！
增加能见度是有必要的。倒不一定花很多时间在这里混。只要能通过 KudoZ 和 论坛显示自己的能力就行。在此出没的翻译同仁，也有不少开了公司。当你在此显示能力时，说不定哪个“老板”或“伯乐”正眯着眼睛在幕后看着你呢。:D 如果光是指望在此投标，那就跟守株待兔差不多。
做买卖就要做广告，就应该利用 ProZ 和 ATA 等翻译网站展示自己。当然，不参加 ProZ 和 ATA 也不是不能活。一个笨办法就是逐一给翻译社发信，也可通过其它渠道去与客户接触。但是，有这样的场地可以利用，为什么不利用呢？
| | | | amipro
Local time: 23:37
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INIŢIATORUL SUBIECTULUI
我知道你不是针对我啦，：），不过我的profile确实是简单得要命，主要是还毫无头绪。前面你给了很多有用的关于具体化的建议，我要好好消化采纳一下！
kudoz我也要好好研究，增加积分是首要。
ATA，我想先观望着。我们这里好像还没设考点，等到了我们这里，再决定是否参加吧！
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