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Character is of the essence Oct 10, 2010

redred wrote:

Money plays the role, snob. 消费洒金钱才奉为上宾呗。

中国人很有钱——现在从中国去海外旅游的人给海外人士外国人造成一种假像




I would tend to give the intelligence of the public at large more credit than that. In my opinion, most people are able to look past the facade - or conspicuous spending if it happens to be the case - and see what a person is truly all about.

Anyway, in this society, affluent people are a dime a dozen, so to speak. I can guarantee you that to most people - in the United States at least - having a good moral character is way more important and admirable than being filthy rich or having a lot of money to throw around just for show.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_character

Moral character or character is an evaluation of a particular individual's durable moral qualities. The concept of character can imply a variety of attributes including the existence or lack of virtues such as integrity, courage, fortitude, honesty, and loyalty, or of good behaviors or habits. Moral character primarily refers to the assemblage of qualities that distinguish one individual from another - although on a cultural level, the set of moral behaviors to which a social group adheres can be said to unite and define it culturally as distinct from others. Psychologist Lawrence Pervin defines moral character as "a disposition to express behavior in consistent patterns of functions across a range of situations"




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领导买包 Oct 17, 2010

领导同志相中一个文件包,品牌是美国的Tom,价值595 欧。领导有钱,愿意消费,促进经济增长,当然无可厚非。

包买好后,立刻有随行人员抢着帮身材魁梧的领导提购物袋……

很中国。


 
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Democracy Oct 17, 2010

Bin Tiede wrote:

包买好后,立刻有随行人员抢着帮身材魁梧的领导提购物袋……

很中国。


That's it.

Jimmy Carter schlepped his own suitcase into the White House when he began his tenure. But then that was another extreme. Unfortunately, the majority of people didn't appreciate the gesture.



http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/39_carter/index.html

Overview
Born: October 1, 1924; Plains, Georgia... From the very start of his presidency, Jimmy Carter attempted to make the office more personable and accessible: he walked along the inaugural parade route, ended the playing of Hail to the Chief, and carried his own luggage. Elected largely on his promise to never lie to the American people, Carter soon seemed out of place in the vastness of the presidency. Events conspired to further impede his progress: rising energy costs, high unemployment, Americans held hostage in Iran, Soviets in Afghanistan. A man of peace who took pride in bringing together age-old antagonists, Carter was finally viewed by his countrymen as lacking presidential stature.



 
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贵宾碰钉子 Oct 17, 2010

That reminds me of that comedic clip of George W. Bush unsuccessfully trying to open a humongous banquet room door during an official visit to Beijing. Of course the joke was he got duped - the door was either locked and not intended for everyday use, or perhaps the Chinese-style door and door handles were non-functional but just for decor. Anyway, from the clip one could also see that an American President doesn't always expect to be waited on hand and foot.

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That reminds me of that comedic clip of George W. Bush unsuccessfully trying to open a humongous banquet room door during an official visit to Beijing. Of course the joke was he got duped - the door was either locked and not intended for everyday use, or perhaps the Chinese-style door and door handles were non-functional but just for decor. Anyway, from the clip one could also see that an American President doesn't always expect to be waited on hand and foot.

Actually I'm surprised there wasn't an aide or two rushing over to do it for him.



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领导可能不是自己掏钱的 Oct 17, 2010

可能回国就到财务科报销了。

Bin Tiede wrote:

领导同志相中一个文件包,品牌是美国的Tom,价值595 欧。领导有钱,愿意消费,促进经济增长,当然无可厚非。

包买好后,立刻有随行人员抢着帮身材魁梧的领导提购物袋……

很中国。


 
wonita (X)
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Democracy Oct 18, 2010

wherestip wrote:
Democracy

有次和中国领导交换对领导素质的看法。我认为,西方国家的领导很好识别:在一群人当中,最具个人魅力,最有亲和力的那一位肯定是领导。因为西方国家实行民主选举,每人一票,选民当然会把票投给最让自己感到亲切的人。中国领导总结了一下:“明白了。要想在德国当官,见人就得装孙子。”

其实中国的领导也很好识别:在一群人当中,周围马屁精最多的那一位肯定就是。

[Edited at 2010-10-18 09:32 GMT]


 
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这个没有看见, Oct 18, 2010

Zhoudan wrote:

可能回国就到财务科报销了。

不敢妄自断言。

不过我倒是亲自经历过这样一件事:下午给中国代表团安排市区观光,我是导游。代表团共有7、8位成员,某领导提出想买鞋,我说先带大家看完主要景点,最后剩点时间可以去下购物点。但全团成员一致决定,领导购物事大,其他人观不观光无所谓。他们嘱托我:“你尽管带xx去买东西,我们自己转转就行了。”

在中国作个乡长真是比欧洲的市长还威风。

[Edited at 2010-10-18 07:24 GMT]


 
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领导的丈母娘 Oct 18, 2010

Bin Tiede wrote:
Zhoudan wrote:
可能回国就到财务科报销了。

不敢妄自断言。
不过我倒是亲自经历过这样一件事:下午给中国代表团安排市区观光,我是导游。代表团共有7、8位成员,某领导提出想买鞋,我说先带大家看完主要景点,最后剩点时间可以去下购物点。但全团成员一致决定,领导购物事大,其他人观不观光无所谓。他们嘱托我:“你尽管带xx去买东西,我们自己转转就行了。”
在中国作个乡长真是比欧洲的市长还威风。

[Edited at 2010-10-18 07:24 GMT]

丈母娘比领导还威风。巴结领导的人,首先要搞定丈母娘。


 
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Luxurious vs. affordable Nov 16, 2010

redred wrote:

中国人很有钱——现在从中国去海外旅游的人给海外人士外国人造成一种假像。


Based on a comparison of the prices for these cruise tours as shown below, it seems to be quite true that those Chinese travelers are a lot richer than American travelers:

Luxurious:
http://youlun.guolv168.com/

Affordable:
http://ww2.libertytravel.com/cruises/


 
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Driven by cost cutting and global competition Dec 19, 2010

More and more high-end goods are being produced in China, including exclusive brand names and luxury items. It's been an on-going trend, and has become even more prominent (at least to me) this Christmas shopping season. Nowadays you almost can't buy anything of decent quality in many categories that doesn't have a "Made in China" label on it.

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More and more high-end goods are being produced in China, including exclusive brand names and luxury items. It's been an on-going trend, and has become even more prominent (at least to me) this Christmas shopping season. Nowadays you almost can't buy anything of decent quality in many categories that doesn't have a "Made in China" label on it.

Those who want a bit of luxury really should just keep their eyes peeled. Why look elsewhere when the stuff is available right in your own backyard?



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"Made in China" moving up the food chain Dec 19, 2010

wherestip wrote:

Nowadays you almost can't buy anything of decent quality in many categories that doesn't have a "Made in China" label on it.



Well, here in the U.S., there are still some areas that haven't seen much of a presence of Chinese-made products. A few that come to mind would be perhaps automobiles, heavy construction equipment, luxury timepieces, and perfume ... Oh yeah, home-building materials is another sizable area that has been, and, IMO, would be tough for imports to break into.

But even high-end luxury items like furs and jewelry have seen the entrance of Chinese-made merchandise. I was very surprised to see David Yurman jewelry with "Made in China" labels on them displayed in the store counters of Neiman Marcus. Some other high-end retailers do take the extra step of removing the "Made in China" tags though - the David Yurman specialty store located in Austin's Domain shopping center being one of them. As far as I know, it's not really against the law to do so. Most American consumers probably don't care where something is manufactured anyway, as long as the quality is there.

From what I've seen and heard, famous furniture makers like Pennsylvania House and Jesper(Denmark) have also moved the bulk of their production to China. Star Furniture is a decent furniture retailer chain here in the U.S.. Nowadays, one would find a good percentage of their merchandise made in China.



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舍近求远 Dec 20, 2010

wherestip wrote:

Those who want a bit of luxury really should just keep their eyes peeled. Why look elsewhere when the stuff is available right in your own backyard?

Steve,

中国人的优良传统之一就是拿最美最好的东西给外人享用。改革开放之前,国内最抢手的就是所谓“出口转内销商品”。通常,中国的出口商品要经过比较严格的质量检验。为了出口创汇,价格也比较低廉。因此,Made in China 在海外就成了物美价廉的同义词。如今在只顾发财而不顾商业道德之歪风盛行的 backyard,同样品牌的 Made in China,在 backyard 买到的就可能是假冒伪劣。即使不是假冒伪劣商品,其价格也往往比国外要高出许多。这也许就是许多人不愿在 backyard 买 Made in China 商品的原因。如今许多有机会到海外旅行的中国人,一到国外商场就拼命“血拼”。他们买的许多名牌商品其实都是 Made in China。 随着国内物价的飞涨,劳动力价格的迅速上升,不知 Made in China 的物美价廉还能维持多久?


 
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"何不食肉糜?" Dec 20, 2010

ysun wrote:

... 同样品牌的 Made in China,在 backyard 买到的就可能是假冒伪劣。即使不是假冒伪劣商品,其价格也往往比国外要高出许多。这也许就是许多人不愿在 backyard 买 Made in China 商品的原因。如今许多有机会到海外旅行的中国人,一到国外商场就拼命“血拼”。他们买的许多名牌商品其实都是 Made in China。 随着国内物价的飞涨,劳动力价格的迅速上升,不知 Made in China 的物美价廉还能维持多久?



Yueyin,

如此说来在国内买奢侈品的确是不太上算. 看来我这儿真是有点身在福中不知福了.


 
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知足 Dec 21, 2010

是啊!我们应该十分知足了。 :)

下面这篇文章说:“美国人吃穿用都离不开MADE IN CHINA,但奇怪的是,中国造的东西,一离开中国反而变得便宜了。”

http://www.yantan.cc/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=100217

中国物价为何比美国还高?不知此文分析得是否有理?美国的物价也在涨,但涨价的速度和幅度远比不上中国。


 
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物价 Dec 21, 2010

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中国物价为何比美国还高?不知此文分析得是否有理?美国的物价也在涨,但涨价的速度和幅度远比不上中国。



是的, 美国 Consumer Price Index 一年来基本上是稳定的.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cpi.pdf

这里基本没有什么通货膨胀. 所以都两年了, 联邦政府没有变动 Social Security Benefits Cost-of-Living Adjustment.

Some people believe Ben Bernanke is more concerned about the risk of deflation than inflation. That's why he is not too worried about implementing a new round of quantitative easing(QE2) to stimulate the overall economy.

至于究竟为什么中国国内物价高, 而且涨价幅度大、速度快, 原因可能很多. 我是没有亲身经历, 没有什么发言权. 不过我个人感觉从大局来看, 可能在于 China's extremely fast-growing economy, with an average annual GDP growth rate of 10% or more for the past 30 years. 同时十几亿人口生活水平在很短时期内大幅度增长提高. 因此暂时出现一些供不应求的不平衡现象是难免的.



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